<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Florida Statute 117.265. The principal can be out of state as long as the notary is physically present in the state of florida.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div id="composer_signature" dir="auto"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">Nestor Gorfinkel, Esq.- Sent from my Samsung Device</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:100%;color:#000000" dir="auto"><!-- originalMessage --><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Ronda Larson Kramer <ronda@larsonlawpllc.com> </div><div>Date: 4/6/20 11:34 (GMT-08:00) </div><div>To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com> </div><div>Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Question about remote notary </div><div><br></div></div>
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I can answer one question regarding the tech issue, since I tested SafeDocs to notarize something (I ended up declining to have the notary follow through, though, due to her not being commissioned in WA). The client need only have a computer with camera and
mic (e.g., all modern laptops and iPads), and an email address, and then the client just goes to the RON software provider's website and clicks on the links. The website will prompt the client to test the mic and camera on their computer. No need to install
special software. (FYI, most RON notaries are commissioned in Virginia, since it was the trailblazer legally in this area).</div>
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Nestor, regarding using a Florida notary for RONs startin Jan. 1, is there a bill or something you could cite? All I see when I look at the 2019 bill is this: "(3) An electronic records notary public
<u>located in this state </u>may perform a notarial act using communication technology for a remotely located individual if:.." SB 5641, section 1.</div>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">So, from what I’m reading, we as WA attorneys could send our clients to a remote notary licensed in a different state for signing anything except a will? Is that correct? And if so, Maureen Wickert asked about how the documents all
sync up in her email; how does that work when they are signed/notarized in two different places?</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Finally, does anyone have one of these remote notaries to recommend who could help a client through the whole process (and, as Maureen said, that person would need to have some sort of tech ability to work with the electronic platform).
And does the client have to download the electronic platform onto his or her system?This all sounds a bit complex, but if I could find a notary to recommend, I’d be happy to do so.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">You can use a Florida RON notary for any document except a will as of January 1. The statute for wills goes into effect July 1.</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">One thing I have recently realized (please correct me if I'm wrong) is that for RON to work, you need not have a Washington notary involved. It seems to me that all our clients need to do right
now to execute a power of attorney or deed, etc., is to go online to one of these companies like NotaryCam or Safedocs (that the DOL listed) and have them notarize the document (for a fee of around $25). All their RON notaries for that self-serve option are
commissioned in Virginia, which was the first state to authorize RON in 2012. Full faith and credit laws are already existing in most of the states regarding notaries and the federal government apparently is enacting one for RON in the next few days that is
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Correct--the Department of Licensing has not even figured out which companies are approved as the platform for remote online notarization. DOL stated in an email to me yesterday:</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal">Quite frankly, when he issued this executive order, I thought there is no way this can be implemented in such a short time for this brief window of use. Unless I am mistaken, did the Department of Licensing’s Notary Public unit approve
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal">To me this was a well-intentioned knee jerk reaction not carefully thought out.</p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jamia Burns<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Question about remote notary</p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">You also need a special license from the state specifically for electronic notarization, which requires special software. </p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal">Jamia S. Burns<br>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal">On Fri, Apr 3, 2020, 11:52 AM Craig Gourley <<a href="mailto:craig@glgmail.com">craig@glgmail.com</a>> wrote:</p>
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<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Question about remote notary</span> </p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal">Are remote notarizations (e.g. via teleconferencing, etc.) allowed under Washington State law, and if so, can someone please provide me a cite or link to the authorization? I found RCW 42.45.280, which allows remote notarizations,
but unfortunately, that statute does not take effect until October.</p>
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