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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Hello Nestor and Listservs:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I saw your post on the RPPT Probate & Trust Listserv. Quick question have you or anyone else used Notarize or Notary Cam for any signing for anyone who is located in Washington state? <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I’m concerned that they are not using notaries who are licensed in Washington state to notarize documents that were signed by individuals who reside and were physically present in Washington at the time of their signature.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>My first concern is that we cannot rely upon the reciprocity of a notary outside the state of Washington enumerated in RCW 42.45.090 when the person is physically present and residing in the state of Washington. The key to reciprocity requires “<b><i><u>A notarial act performed in another state</u></i></b> “ If the signing occurs in Washington, but the notary is situated in Texas, Florida, or Virginia, the question is where was the notarial act performed? A notarial act is defined as “an act, whether performed with respect to a tangible or electronic record, that a notarial officer may perform under the law of this state.” This definition does not offer any clarity because the notarial act is composed of several actions including the witnessing and confirmation of signatory’s identity as well as affixing and signing the acknowledgment. While the affixing and signing the acknowledge may take place in another state, did the witnessing and identity confirmation take place in another state or did those take place in Washington. I’m unclear on this point. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Further, if the notary is not a licensed notary in the state of Washington, then it appears that the notary cannot perform a notarial act in Washington because they are not a notarial officer. A notarial officer is “a notary public or other individual authorized to perform a notarial act. RCW 45.42.010(8) By definition a “notary public" means an individual commissioned to perform a notarial act by the director. RCW 45.42.010(9) Thus, if the notary is not licensed by the DoL in Washington, it does not appear that they can validly perform a notarization or notarial act here in Washington. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>If you or anyone has any guidance on these points, I would be grateful for your insights or experience. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Warmest regards,<br><br></span><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:purple'>Michael S. Safren, Esq.</span></b> <b><br></b><i>Attorney at Law</i> <br><br>14900 Interurban Ave. S., Ste. 280 | Seattle, WA 98168 <br>11900 NE 1st St., Bldg. G - Ste. 300 | Bellevue, WA 98005 <br>P: (206) 859-5098 | E: <a href="mailto:msafren@jennylinglaw.com" target="_blank">msafren@jennylinglaw.com</a> <br><u><a href="http://www.jennylinglaw.com" target="_blank">www.jennylinglaw.com</a></u> | <u><a href="http://www.facebook.com/jennylinglaw/" target="_blank">facebook.com/jennylinglaw/</a></u> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br><span style='font-size:8.0pt'>This communication, including attachments, may contain information that is confidential and protected by the attorney/client or other privileges. It constitutes non-public information intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). 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Receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is not a waiver of any attorney/client or other privilege.</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>nestor@pplsweb.com<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv' <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Notary Endorsement for Electronic Services<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>You have to use third party software such as Notarize.com and NotaryCam<span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Nestor Gorfinkel, Attorney at Law<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Licensed in Washington & Florida<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Florida Civil-Law (International) Notary<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>ATTENTION - This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. 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Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by the sender.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:#009900'>P</span></b><b><span style='font-size:24.0pt;color:#009900'> </span></b><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#009900'>Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephen A. Brandli<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:41 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv' <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Notary Endorsement for Electronic Services<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Can one record and save video sessions with any of these technologies? Must save the recording for 10 years.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> Steve<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Amy Goertz<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:28 AM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Notary Endorsement for Electronic Services<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>My understanding is that in addition to your regular Notary license, you need to add this endorsement:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.dol.wa.gov/forms/659005.pdf">https://www.dol.wa.gov/forms/659005.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>To that end, any insight into what "electronic software” the courts prefer? I’m assuming this meeting via Zoom, Skype, or other teleconferencing is going to be a permanent addition to our practice.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Amy</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Calligraphy";color:black'>Amy J. Goertz, J.D.</span></i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Calligraphy";color:black'>Goertz & Lambrecht PLLC</span></i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="mailto:amyjgoertz@icloud.com">amyjgoertz@icloud.com</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>1.888.926.2607 phone<br>1.877.684.1627 fax<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Address for correspondence:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>2829 S. Grand Blvd., Suite 303<br>Spokane, WA 99203 <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Additional office locations:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>510 Bell Street<br>Edmonds, WA 98020<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Goertz & Lambrecht PLLC<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="http://www.goertzlambrecht.com/">www.goertzlambrecht.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mar 25, 2020, at 10:09 AM, Thomas M. Culbertson <<a href="mailto:tculbertson@lukins.com">tculbertson@lukins.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F3864'>Because the witness issue is unresolved, and I suspect can be resolved only by legislation, I haven’t been following this too carefully, but I did notice the following: </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F3864'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F3864'>RCW 42.45.280 only applies to “electronic records notary publics”, which are defined at 42.45.010 (5) to be “an individual commissioned by the director to perform a notarial act with respect to electronic records.” Does that mean your run of the mill ordinary notary (like me) has to do something special to take advantage of this provision?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F3864'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F3864'>If this has been covered previously on this listserv, my apologies, but frankly the older I get the less embarrassed I am by occasionally proving my ignorance. <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif;color:#1F3864'>😊</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F3864'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:#1F497D'>________________________________________</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:#1F497D'>THOMAS M. CULBERTSON<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'> Lukins & Annis, PS</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'>717 W. Sprague Ave, Suite 1600, Spokane, WA 99201</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'>(509) 455-9555</span><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'> I<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'> fax (509) 363-2500</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'> I<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:tculbertson@lukins.com"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:purple'>tculbertson@lukins.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>