<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">I would also take a look through RCW 64.38 that pertains specifically to HOA's. </div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><p><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Brent Williams-Ruth</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <br><i>Attorney-At-Law</i><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)"></span></span></p><p><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Law Offices of Brent Williams-Ruth, <font size="1">a division of </font></span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><font size="1">BWR Consulting, PLLC</font></span></b></p><p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)"></span></p><p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Office/Scheduling Phone:<span style="color:rgb(0,64,128)"> </span>(425) 830-5134<span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)"></span></span></p><p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Direct Mobile: (206) 889-7919</span></p><p style="line-height:20.8267px;margin:0px 0px 1.35em;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)"></p><p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><a href="mailto:Brent@Williams-RuthLaw.com" target="_blank">e-mail</a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> / <a href="http://www.Williams-RuthLaw.com/" target="_blank">website</a> /</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12.8px"> </span><a href="http://www.facebook.com/bwrconsults" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">facebook</a><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12.8px"> / </span></p><p><font face="Times New Roman, serif" color="#ff0000"><span style="font-size:12.8px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><b>As of July 1, 2019 - I began operating as the Law Offices of Brent Williams-Ruth a division of BWR Consulting, PLLC. Please note the new points of contact Brent@Williams-RuthLaw.com and <a href="http://www.Williams-RuthLaw.com" target="_blank">www.Williams-RuthLaw.com</a> </b></span></font></p></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 12:51 PM <<a href="mailto:ron@housh.org">ron@housh.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_861642746209645620WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Rob:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Excellent overview.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Somewhat related are issues surrounding associations who never achieve quorum requirements at meetings. I know of Associations who “transact business” at meetings without a quorum.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">If a virtual meeting occurs that is not authorized under applicable law – statutes, governing documents, etc. – and the business of the meeting is then published/distributed to owners/members, with the passage of time would a dissenting owner/member be estopped from later challenging the action taken? There seem to be instances where business must be transacted recognizing the risk of a procedural challenge. Fortunately, with most associations the transacted business is not controversial. Of course if the business is controversial – such as ratification of a huge repair project budget – then the risk of a procedural challenge is huge.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks again.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Ron<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,112,192)"><u></u><span style="text-decoration:none"> </span><u></u></span></u></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:red"><u></u> <u></u></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:red">I AM TYPICALLY IN THE SEATTLE OFFICE ON TUESDAY AND THURSDAY AND IN THE MOUNT VERNON OFFICE ON MONDAY, WEDNESDAY AND FRIDAY <u></u><u></u></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:green"><u></u> <u></u></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:green">Ronald G. Housh, P.S.</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:green">Attorney at Law</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:green">Seattle Office:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:green">1420 Fifth Avenue, Suite 3000</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:green">Seattle, WA 98101-2393</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:green">Phone: 206-381-1341</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:green">Fax: 206-464-0461</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:green">Email: </span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><a href="mailto:ron@housh.org" target="_blank"><b><span style="color:green">ron@housh.org</span></b></a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:green">Mount Vernon Office:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:green">21411 Bluejay Place</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:green">Mount Vernon, WA 98274</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:green">Phone: 206-235-2459</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:green">Email: </span></b><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><a href="mailto:ron@housh.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:green">ron@housh.org</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></b></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rob Wilson-Hoss<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 16, 2020 12:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv' <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] HOA meetings<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Warning – this is more HOA technical stuff, but it does also apply to many general nonprofits as well. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Does anyone have any thoughts about how an HOA can manage meetings when no one is there? Board meetings and member meetings are by the terms of the governing documents required at certain times, and decisions have to be made. There are statutes, but they depend on what the governing documents of the association say. This matters for whether or not they have a quorum, and whether or not they can make decisions. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The following is organized this way:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><ol style="margin-top:0in" start="1" type="1"><li class="gmail-m_861642746209645620MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Statutes, member meetings, 24.03 and 24.06, the two nonprofit state statutory schemes, followed by comments in red;<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="gmail-m_861642746209645620MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Statutes, board and committee meetings, 24.03 and 24.06, followed by comments in red;<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="gmail-m_861642746209645620MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Unanimous consent statutes;<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="gmail-m_861642746209645620MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Discussion, governing documents provisions;<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="gmail-m_861642746209645620MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Discussion: what if the combination of governing document provisions and the statutes leads to a dead end – Board and member meetings have to have people present.<u></u><u></u></span></li></ol><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><ol style="margin-top:0in" start="1" type="1"><li class="gmail-m_861642746209645620MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><b><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Statutes, member meetings:<u></u><u></u></span></b></li></ol><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">24.03.075: <b>Except as otherwise restricted by the articles of incorporation or the bylaws</b>, members and any committee of members of the corporation may participate in a meeting by conference telephone or similar communications equipment so that all persons participating in the meeting can hear each other at the same time. Participation by that method constitutes presence in person at a meeting.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">If they fall under 24.03, then they can have member (or member committee) meetings with what I will call virtual access. But if their documents otherwise specify, there is no help for them here. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">24.06.100: <b>If the articles of incorporation or bylaws so provide</b>, members or shareholders may participate in any meeting of members or shareholders by any means of communication by which all persons participating in the meeting can hear each other during the meeting. A member or shareholder participating in a meeting by this means is deemed to be present in person at the meeting.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">If they fall under 24.06, then the rule is opposite. They can only virtual access if their Bylaws or Articles so provide. </span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><ol style="margin-top:0in" start="2" type="1"><li class="gmail-m_861642746209645620MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><b><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Statutes, Board meetings:</span></b><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u><u></u></span></li></ol><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">24.03.110: <b>A majority of the number of directors</b> fixed by, or in the manner provided in the bylaws, or in the absence of a bylaw fixing or providing for the number of directors, then of the number fixed by or in the manner provided in the articles of incorporation, <b>shall constitute a quorum</b> for the transaction of business, unless otherwise provided in the articles of incorporation or the bylaws; but in no event shall a quorum consist of less than one-third of the number of directors so fixed or stated. The act of the majority of the directors </span><b><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">present</span></b><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> at a meeting at which a quorum is present shall be the act of the board of directors, unless the act of a greater number is required by this chapter, the articles of incorporation or the bylaws.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">First, there is nothing directly addressing whether virtual access is possible or not. Second, according to the Court of Appeals, “present” means, well, “there.” Lowe v. Foxhall, unpub. Div II, Jan. 7, 2020, no. 51898-8-II</span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">. <span style="color:red">I have never thought that 24.03 Directors could appear at a meeting by proxy or otherwise than being present.</span> <span style="color:red">One reason is that the next statute says that if you are under 24.06, you can virtual access to a Board meeting. A reviewing court would say, they chose to allow it under 24.06, and not under 24.03. Pardon my bluntness, but the legal fiction that the Legislature actually thought about any of this is, well, what they call in the world of real fiction, “magical realism.” Or better, “magical fantasy.” </span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">24.06.150: <b>Unless the articles of incorporation or bylaws provide otherwise,</b> any or all directors may participate in a regular or special meeting by, or conduct the meeting through the use of, any means of communication by which all directors participating can hear each other during the meeting. A director participating in a meeting by this means is deemed to be present in person at the meeting.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">Under 24.06, then, the default setting is yes, virtual access. But only a few are under 24.06. The choice, incidentally, to recommend one or the other requires a spreadsheet showing about 20 differences that might matter, most of which weigh in favor of 24.06. But it is impossible to predict for any particular association which of those factors may matter during its lifetime. Such as, this one. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red"><u></u> <u></u></span></b></p><ol style="margin-top:0in" start="3" type="1"><li class="gmail-m_861642746209645620MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><b><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Unanimous Consent statutes<u></u><u></u></span></b></li></ol><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">RCW 24.03.465: Any action required by this chapter to be taken at a meeting of the members or directors of a corporation, or any action which may be taken at a meeting of the members or directors, may be taken without a meeting if <b>a consent in the form of a record</b>, setting forth the action so taken, <b>shall</b> <b>be executed by all of the members</b> entitled to vote with respect to the subject matter thereof, or all of the directors, as the case may be.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Such consent shall have the same force and effect as a unanimous vote, and may be stated as such in any articles or record filed with the secretary of state under this chapter.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">RCW 24.06.510: Any action required by this chapter to be taken at a meeting of the members, shareholders or directors of a corporation, or any action which may be taken at a meeting of the members, shareholders or directors, may be taken without a meeting, if <b>a consent in writing</b>, setting forth the action so taken, is signed by all of the members and shareholders entitled to vote thereon, or <b>by all of the directors</b>, as the case may be, <b>unless the articles or bylaws provide to the contrary</b>.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Such consent shall have the same force and effect as a unanimous vote, and may be stated as such in any articles or document filed with the secretary of state.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red">So there is an exception for both statutes – unanimous written consent. They can hold a “meeting” which is informal, discuss everything you they need to discuss, but then vote by unanimous written consent. This will very likely only work with Boards, or very small associations, because they aren’t going to get unanimous consent from members on whether or not the earth is round. See, e.g., Kyrie Irving.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:red"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><ol style="margin-top:0in" start="4" type="1"><li class="gmail-m_861642746209645620MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Governing document discussion. <u></u><u></u></span></li></ol><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.25in"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.25in"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">These things vary widely. Few associations ever think of these issues. Few lawyers drag their clients through this part of their recommendations. Some associations want to make sure everyone is there to hear a discussion and vote. Some don’t. There is no uniformity. So, each association must look at its own documents, compare them to the statutes, and see where they are. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><ol style="margin-top:0in" start="5" type="1"><li class="gmail-m_861642746209645620MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">What to do if they are at a dead end?<u></u><u></u></span></li></ol><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.25in"><b><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">For Board meetings, one possibility is to have virtual access meetings, and then get everyone on the Board to agree to support the results, in writing. For membership meetings, that will not likely be practical.<u></u><u></u></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.25in"><b><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.25in"><b><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">What to do when they have to meet both statutory requirements, and governing document requirements, and they can’t get there from here? Is there a national emergency, war time, pandemic, nuclear meltdown, earthquake, flood, fire, etc. exception to the rules that says if the times are extreme enough, then the process rules are adapted so that the association can make the best out of a bad situation?<u></u><u></u></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.25in"><b><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.25in"><b><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Practically, this works, except when it doesn’t. What if something looks like an emergency, emergency powers are invoked, someone’s ox gets gored, and then, it wasn’t so bad after all. I have much experience with how far some members will go to work out their anger on their associations. A lawsuit from one of them is not outside the possibilities. <u></u><u></u></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <b><span style="color:red">I would love to hear from anyone with any other thoughts. I get this question at least daily. <u></u><u></u></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Rob<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Robert D. 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If that doesn't work, then I've resorted to sending personal emails to every CPG on the list for that county providing general descriptive information. These personal emails have yielded better results. I can't recall quite where it is on the web site, but there is a place on the site where you can find a listing of every CPG in WA, per county. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:Garamond,serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:Garamond,serif">Sarah<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:Garamond,serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Sarah O’Farrell McCarthy</span></b><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br></span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Attorney | <span style="color:black">Kelly, Arndt & Walker, Attorneys at Law, PLLP</span></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br></span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">6443 Harding Avenue | P.O. 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Thank you</span><span style="font-size:8pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">. </span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:8pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">We do not accept service of any kind by e-mail unless expressly authorized in writing by the attorney of record. This e-mail is NOT a contract and is not binding upon the author pursuant to CR 2A. This e-mail is, at most, a negotiation under ER 408.</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 10:09 PM John J. Sullivan, Esq. <<a href="mailto:sullaw@comcast.net" target="_blank">sullaw@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Sandi:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I have a similar problem in a case that’s been open a full year in a couple of weeks.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">John J. Sullivan<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:sgay@sbglaw-wa.com" target="_blank">sgay@sbglaw-wa.com</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 4, 2020 2:29 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv' <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Need for Guardian in Public Pay Case<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Christie, both in King County. One is hospitalized but is ready to be discharged when a placement can be identified.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Lucida Handwriting"">Sandi Gay</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Lucida Handwriting"">SANDRA BATES GAY, PS</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Attorney at Law</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Sandra Bates Gay, PS</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">23515 N.E. Novelty Hill Rd.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Suite B211-397</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Redmond, WA 98053</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Ph: (425) 637-3040</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Fax: (425) 952-0156</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">E-Mail: <a href="mailto:sgay@sbglaw-wa.com" target="_blank">sgay@sbglaw-wa.com</a></span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Christie Martin<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 4, 2020 2:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Need for Guardian in Public Pay Case<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">What county? are they already in placements?<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><img border="0" width="1409" height="1" style="width: 14.677in; height: 0.0104in;" id="gmail-m_861642746209645620gmail-m_7712620360313182984Rectangle_x0020_1" src="cid:170e51004a24cff311"></span></b><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Christie L. Martin</span></b><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(117,120,123)"> </span></b><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(127,127,127)">| Martin & Richards, </span></b><b><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(127,127,127)">PLLC</span></b><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(127,127,127)">Attorney at Law</span></b><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(117,120,123)">B: 503-444-3449</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(117,120,123)">C: 503-545-9199</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(127,127,127)">F: 360-637-0300</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black"><<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> on behalf of "<a href="mailto:sgay@sbglaw-wa.com" target="_blank">sgay@sbglaw-wa.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:sgay@sbglaw-wa.com" target="_blank">sgay@sbglaw-wa.com</a>><br><b>Reply-To: </b>WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Wednesday, March 4, 2020 at 11:59 AM<br><b>To: </b>'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv' <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>[WSBAPT] Need for Guardian in Public Pay Case</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">In a couple of public pay guardianship cases, as the appointed GAL, I am having great difficulty locating a CPG or independent (unrelated) guardian who is willing to accept appointment for a couple of AIPs who do not have appropriate family members who could serve. Is anyone aware of CPS who may be willing and have the capacity to accept appointments in these difficult cases? Many thanks,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Sandi Gay</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">SANDRA BATES GAY, PS</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Attorney at Law</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Sandra Bates Gay, PS</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">23515 N.E. Novelty Hill Rd.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Suite B211-397</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Redmond, WA 98053</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Ph: (425) 637-3040</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Fax: (425) 952-0156</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">E-Mail: <a href="mailto:sgay@sbglaw-wa.com" target="_blank">sgay@sbglaw-wa.com</a></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">***Disclaimer: Please note that RPPT listserv participation is not restricted to practicing attorneys and may include non-practicing attorneys, law students, professionals working in related fields, and others.***<br>_______________________________________________<br>WSBAPT mailing list<br><a href="mailto:WSBAPT@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">WSBAPT@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br><a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/wsbapt" target="_blank">http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/wsbapt</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div></div></div>***Disclaimer: Please note that RPPT listserv participation is not restricted to practicing attorneys and may include non-practicing attorneys, law students, professionals working in related fields, and others.***<br>
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