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<p class="MsoNormal">Oh, thanks, Marcus! I’m going to pass that on to the client.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Candace<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Marcus Fry<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 11, 2020 4:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Question on trustee's powers testamentary trust--*urgent*<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_GoBack"></a><span style="color:#1F497D">Candace:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">You may want to contact Mortgage Broker Jim O’Dea with Redwood Mortgage out of California about obtaining a loan with an irrevocable trust.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Candace Wilkerson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 11, 2020 3:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Question on trustee's powers testamentary trust--*urgent*<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, Jeannie and John! All of this is incredibly helpful and frightening at the same time.
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<p class="MsoNormal">It’s frustrating that my client’s husband ended up putting only one non-liquid asset (the house) into a trust that was supposed to be used to pay all of the expenses for the house. My client has been forced to use her own funds to pay
for all of the expenses of the house, and the refinance was to be used (partially) to pay her back for what she spent on the house. Unfortunately, she doesn’t want to sell the house.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Candace<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Creahan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 11, 2020 3:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#595959">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#595959">I have to disagree with Jeannie on this.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#595959">In my opinion, the beneficiary/trustee’s risks are substantial and I would strongly advise against doing this without express written consent of the other
beneficiaries. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#595959">I would also like to point out that, from a legal perspective, revocable and irrevocable trusts are very different animals. The process described below – where
the house is transferred out of the RLT, refinanced, and then transferred back – works because the
<a href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/12/1701j-3">Garn–St Germain Act</a></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">
<span style="color:#595959">prohibits banks from enforcing a due on sale clause when the owner transfers mortgaged property into an inter vivos trust. The statutory language does not provide similar protections for the transfer into an irrevocable trust. In
other words, the lender could potentially declare the entire loan due on the transfer back into the trust, leaving the beneficiary/trustee on the hook for the entire mortgage on a house she does not own. (I have not researched this issue, so please let me
know if regulations or caselaw protect the transfer to an irrevocable trust.)<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#595959">My $.02.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#595959">John<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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206-578-5877<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeannie OBrien<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 11, 2020 2:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Question on trustee's powers testamentary trust--*urgent*<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, the loan itself is in your client’s name only, but once she QCs the property back into the trust, it is secured against the real property that is once again owned by the trust.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Because the second transfer (back to RLT) doesn’t go through escrow, the lender isn’t put on notice. In my experience, the lender doesn’t care who owns the property as long as payments are being made. And when they’re not made, the lender
can foreclose on their secured interest in the real property. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I hope the children of the deceased spouse are aligned with your client’s need for cash to pay the household expenses, and that she qualifies for a loan. And I would definitely have the children sign a TEDRA. As long as the trust provides
it, your fees should be paid from the trust refinance proceeds. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Century",serif;color:#1F497D">Jeannie O'Brien, Attorney<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Candace Wilkerson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 11, 2020 1:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Question on trustee's powers testamentary trust--*urgent*<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Jeannie, thanks for your email! That’s very useful information.
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<p class="MsoNormal">So it sounds as though no lender will loan to the trust itself. But doesn’t the quitclaim put the trustee on the hook personally for the loan? If the property belongs to the trust, the trustee should not be held personally responsible
for the loan. I really don’t understand how the lender can require this.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And also, thanks for the warning about the lender. I hadn’t gotten that far yet. I could just see the other beneficiaries suing my client if she wasn’t allowed to put the property back into the trust after getting the loan. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think here I’m going to need to have everyone sign a formal TEDRA agreement before the refinance proceeds; if it does at all. This entire situation makes me very nervous for my client.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Candace<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeannie OBrien<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 11, 2020 1:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have had this happen in a probate, when there are more beneficiaries than just the PR, but all were family members and in agreement, so we had them disclaim and quit claim their interests in the family home. Only then could the PR/sibling
take out a loan on behalf of the estate. This, even though, as in your case, the PR is authorized to mortgage an estate asset – the title company didn’t care.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Too many times than I can count I have had to QC real property out of a RLT into the individual owners’ names for a refinance, and then QC the property back into the trust after the refinance was approved. I would suggest doing that here,
having surviving spouse/sole Trustee QC the deed from the RLT to her solely, have the other trust beneficiaries read and sign a CYA letter that you have drafted explaining why you are proceeding this way, and then after the loan is approved, QC the property
back into the now irrevocable RLT. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Why title companies allow the Trustee of a now Irrevocable Trust to quit claim the property is beyond me, especially when the sole surviving Trustee has the power within the trust document to mortgage it. While suspect, it is not an unusual
request. While the lender may want this by tomorrow, they will wait for it versus losing out on the deal altogether. My two cents.
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<p class="MsoNormal">(I did have a recent case where the lender allowed both Grantors/Trustees to quit claim the property from the RLT, but not back, because the trust did not have the proper language. There was a discussion with the owners that they could
QC it back after the refinance, but the lender didn’t want to know about it. Wink wink. Not a RLT that I drafted, we decided to write Wills for them instead and forget the RLT.)
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<p class="MsoNormal">Unfortunately the RLT is the best EP tool I have found to transfer property to children of one of the spouses and not of the other. If anyone has a better planning tool, please share.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hope this helps – Jeannie <o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Candace Wilkerson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 10, 2020 3:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Question on trustee's powers testamentary trust--*urgent*<br>
<b>Importance:</b> High<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Listmates:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have a situation in which my client is a trustee of a former testamentary trust created by her late husband in his will. The trust is now in effect, and of course irrevocable, and my client, as trustee, has the usual powers regarding
real property (most notably here, to mortgage property). She has the right to live in the house as well as to a fractional share of the house sale proceeds, if sold, as a beneficiary of the trust. The other beneficiaries of the trust are the 3 adult children
of her late husband (not her children).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The only asset in the trust is a house worth more than $1 million, and the trust is supposed to pay all of the house expenses. Of course, the problem is that there are no liquid assets to pay the house expenses, so my client, as trustee,
is trying to refinance the house to get some cash to pay those expenses. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The lender will only give her the refinance loan if my client, as trustee, can quitclaim the house into her individual name in order for the loan to go through. Apparently there is no time to waste; they are ready to close the loan as
soon as she signs the Quit Claim Deed. Then, they say, she can just QC the house back into the trust after the loan goes through, no harm done. I asked why this is necessary, and they said it’s because of the irrevocable nature of the trust. However, she
as trustee has the right to mortgage the property so I don’t understand the need to remove the house from the trust and then put back in.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I said this doesn’t seem like a good idea because of the other beneficiaries; could be considered self-dealing even if she’s allowed to do so by the terms of the trust. I think it exposes her to tremendous liability. I have already told
the client that the only way I would recommend she agrees to this is if all beneficiaries sign a TEDRA agreement allowing her to do this, but of course the lender wants her to do this *<b>by tomorrow.</b>* And I only talked with the client for the first time
today! No TEDRA can be done that quickly, even if the other beneficiaries would agree to sign it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All of my instincts tell her to say no; to find another lender who might not require this. Any thoughts? Is this a common title company requirement? It makes me queasy.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Candace Wilkerson<o:p></o:p></p>
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