<div dir="ltr">Thank you for all the thoughtful responses. I have researched CIRs and inheritance rights and came to the same conclusion as Eric, which is why I was thinking it would be ideal to settle this "out of court". The other issue for this case in particular is that the main asset was purchased 40 years ago, so classifying it as "community" or having the Partner make a successful claim to it is not so straightforward. I am afraid a petition to establish the CIR interest in this asset will not get the result we desire, even with the beneficiary's assistance, as James had acknowledged. This discussion has given me some options and issues to bring up with the client and we can dig into other possible heirs too. I like Kristen's suggestion and will look into other family members that could be an issue, but I do not think the sister's husband is really disclaiming the estate's interest. Rather he is agreeing that equitably and as John pointed out, to avoid litigation, the estate should be distributed to the surviving partner. Though as James said, even if we characterize it that way, the "cousin" could come in and view it as a disclaimer. I will be sure to have a CYA letter the client signs off on no matter the route chosen. <div><br></div><div>One of the reasons I was wanting it in the court record/ordered by the court is so that if the partner decided to sell the property later, title would be able to see why it was going to someone that is not an "heir" in the court record. I guess that could be done by simply filling the agreement in the court record though. <br><div><br></div><div>I too would like to see a case establishing the inheritance rights of surviving partner under CIR. Thank you again to all who responded.</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 11:48 AM John Creahan <<a href="mailto:john@cairn-law.com">john@cairn-law.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:rgb(89,89,89)">I don’t see why you would need a disclaimer or an Indiana probate.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:rgb(89,89,89)">At this point, it appears that the decedent’s brother-in-law – who is entitled to inherit the decedent’s estate under Washington
and Indiana law – is willing to allow the decedent’s surviving partner to inherit.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:rgb(89,89,89)">The simplest approach would be for the
<span class="gmail-m_-3435790824865246292SpellE">BIL</span> to gift the decedent’s estate to the survivor. The only hiccup I see is that the
<span class="gmail-m_-3435790824865246292SpellE">BIL</span> might be hesitant to file a Form 709 with the IRS – which would be required if the inheritance is valued at more than $15,000. (In addition, there could potentially be unanticipated Indiana inheritance/gifting issues).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span class="gmail-m_-3435790824865246292SpellE">BIL</span> objects to filing a 709, I would likely draft a TEDRA in which
<span class="gmail-m_-3435790824865246292SpellE">BIL</span> – in light of the potential litigation over the status of assets, etc., and the resulting uncertain value of his inheritance – assigns his interest in the estate to the survivor, thereby reducing the estate’s value for gift tax
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think you need to consider that if the sister’s estate disclaims, the Decedent’s estate passes to the next intestate heirs. Neither the sister’s estate, nor the sister’s husband, can disclaim on behalf of the other intestate heirs, even
if you have not yet identified who those people are. Undoubtedly, there is at least a cousin out there somewhere. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The only way that I think of to accomplish the result the partner desires would be for decedent’s estate to be distributed to the sister’s estate, the sister’s estate to distribute decedent’s estate to sister’s husband and then sister’s
husband would have to make a gift to the decedent’s partner. Also consider that the partner may also an independent claim to community-like assets as well.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have a first time situation on my hands and am hoping someone on this list has some guidance they could provide.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Decedent passed away intestate, leaving a (unmarried) partner. Decedent's sister is technically his only heir. His sister lived in Indiana and passed away 1 month after Decedent, so her estate is now the heir. She was survived by her husband and
had no children. According to Indiana law, surviving spouse is sole heir of the sister's estate.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Surviving partner has been with Decedent for over 20 years. The surviving spouse of Decedent's sister has agreed to the appointment of Partner as PR and has also agreed that Partner should be entitled to all of Decedent's assets. He is
willing to cooperate in that he will sign off on agreements to this effect.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The issue is that in Indiana, the surviving spouse does not need to open a probate for Decedent's sister. Can the sister's surviving spouse sign waivers, a TEDRA agreement, and/or consent to the distribution of the property to my client
as the sole heir of the sister's estate without her probate being opened?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">While, surviving spouse is happy to help with the process to some extent, I do not foresee that he would want to go as far as opening a probate in Indiana for this. <u></u><u></u></p>
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