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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='tab-interval:.5in'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'> The mobile home should still have a vehicle title and should qualify for the quiet title procedure for vehicles, per my earlier post. Procedures included in that post.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-no-proof:yes'>Michael A. 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One other assumption - title has not been eliminated. One other possibility is to call DOL and see if they have anything in their files. Once in a while they turn up something that can be useful. Usually it is just, sorry, all you can do is get a quiet title judgment and send it to us. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Which brings up the essential point. Manufactured home titles as security are tightly controlled, see RCW 65.20.010 and. 030. But see .900 if the original sale took place prior to 1990. You hope it did. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Under the statute, a quiet title action isn't even recognized, see UCC 62A.9A-102, comment 3, but DOL gets pretty frustrated with that, too, and they work around it when they have to, sometimes, I have found.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Rob <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Robert D. Wilson-Hoss <br>Hoss & Wilson-Hoss, LLP <br>236 West Birch Street <br>Shelton, WA 98584 <br>360 426-2999<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><a href="www.hossandwilsonhoss.com">www.hossandwilson-hoss.com</a><br><a href="mailto:rob@hctc.com">rob@hctc.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>This message is intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the addressee, you are hereby notified that any use, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you received this message in error, please notify us by reply e-mail or by telephone (call us collect at the number listed above) and immediately delete this message and any and all of its attachments. 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You have the right to seek advice of legal counsel.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Eric Nelsen<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 08, 2019 11:08 AM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br><b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Mobile home purchased from decedent and Ch. 11.62 RCW<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I think I get it, but let me check:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Marital couple X&Y sold mobile home to marital couple client and her spouse, C&D. C also died, and then D sold the mobile home to current owner E. Also, X has since died, and Y has dementia, and Y's son has her DPA authority.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Your problem is with clearing X&Y off title to the mobile home, is that right? So I am guessing the title was not fully transferred to C&D before C&D sold it to E? And now E wants title and D can't give it to her/him?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I don't think the Ch. 11.62 process helps in this instance. It really only works on inheritance issues, not interests relating to contracts. I don't see any sense in which D "inherited" any interest in this property from X&Y; it's just a contractual relationship. I agree that the exclusion of a "creditor" from being a successor prevents use of the process in this situation.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I think a breach of contract claim might work, and hopefully you'd get a default. Depending on your facts and what remedy you want to ask for, you might also consider a quiet title on personal property, allowed under RCW <a href="https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=7.28.310">7.28.310</a>. No fee award available under that, though.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Eric<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Eric C. Nelsen<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>SAYRE LAW OFFICES, PLLC<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>1417 31st Ave South<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Seattle WA 98144-3909<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>phone 206-625-0092<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>fax 206-625-9040<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<br>From: wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com] On Behalf Of Josh Grant<br>Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 10:39 AM<br>To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br>Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] IRA with "Estate" beneficiary, and RCW 11.62 small estate affidavit<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I have a case where client and husband bought a single wide mobile home, years ago. Purchaser husband died. client and husband then sold it to current owner.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Original sellers, were husband and wife. husband is deceased and wife has dementia and son has PofA. The son is refusing to sign off on the title. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Contract was full paid. I had thought I would simply tell son that we will sue his mom for breach of contract and serve her with pleadings but I haven't seen the original contract (It is on its way). I am wondering if the contract doesn't allow attorney fee collection I could have client demand title under 11.62.010. I am troubled by 11.62.005(2)(b), which states "Any person claiming to be a successor solely by reason of being a creditor of the decedent.... is excluded from definition of "successor". My client doesn't have any other relationship to original seller, just as a creditor.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Thanks for any comments.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Joshua F. Grant<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>P. O. Box 619<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Wilbur, WA 99185<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>509 647 5578<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>From: Doug Schafer<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2019 5:46 PM<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] IRA with "Estate" beneficiary, and RCW 11.62 small estate affidavit<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>RCW 11.62.020 includes this sentence: "If any person to whom an affidavit and proof of death is delivered refuses to pay, deliver, or transfer any personal property, it may be recovered or its payment, delivery, transfer, or issuance compelled upon proof of their right in a proceeding brought for the purpose by or on behalf of the persons entitled thereto." So it would seem to me that an affiant would need to file a complaint naming the holder of the decedent's property as the defendant. Isn't that how one brings a proceeding to enforce a right?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>However, a wild thought occurs to me -- since TEDRA seems to be a catch-all for "the efficient settlement of disputes in trust, estate, and nonprobate matters" (11.96A.270), perhaps one could claim that under the court's virtually unbounded authority in matters concerning estates and trusts (11.96A.020(2)), a successor could file a "petition for order compelling compliance" with the small estate affidavit, under RCW 11.96A.320 (that affords attorney fee awards). Simply showing the filed petition to the difficult holder of the property might be sufficient to prod compliance.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Doug Schafer, in Tacoma<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>On 3/7/2019 5:06 PM, Jen Doehne wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> In Thurston County, we don’t receive cause numbers for our Small <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Estate Affidavits….I’m not sure if they would if I pushed for one <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> since it is really an open and close matter.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Jen<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> *Jennifer Doehne, Attorney at Law, LL.M.*<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> *BEAN, GENTRY, WHEELER & PETERNELL, PLLC*<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> 910 Lakeridge Way SW<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Olympia, Washington 98502<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Phone: 360.357.2852 | Fax: 360.786.6943<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <a href="mailto:jdoehne@bgwp.net"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none'>jdoehne@bgwp.net</span></a> <<a href="mailto:jdoehne@bgwp.net"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none'>mailto:jdoehne@bgwp.net</span></a>> | <a href="http://www.bgwp.net"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none'>www.bgwp.net</span></a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <<a href="http://www.bgwp.net/"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none'>http://www.bgwp.net/</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <a href="cid:image001.jpg@01CD1C79.4F5DF2B0"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none'>cid:image001.jpg@01CD1C79.4F5DF2B0</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> This message may be an attorney-client communication and as such is <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. 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If <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> you have received this communication in error, please delete the <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> original message and any attachments, as well as all copies thereof, and notify us immediately.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> *From:*wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> [<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none'>mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</span></a>] *On Behalf Of *Andrekita <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Silva<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 07, 2019 4:53 PM<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> *To:* Paul Neumiller <<a href="mailto:pneumiller@hotmail.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none'>pneumiller@hotmail.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> *Cc:* WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none'>wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> *Subject:* Re: [WSBAPT] IRA with "Estate" beneficiary, and RCW 11.62 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> small estate affidavit<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> When I filed the Small Estate Affidavit, it was a filing fee of <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> $20.00, same as filing a Will Filing Only No probate.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> I always put a caption on my Small Estate Affidavit, as if I were <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> going to file it, although I’m pretty confident I have never done so in the past.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Like any other pleading filed, the court clerk gave me the cause #, <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> which was a probate action cause #, so 18-4- …. SEA<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> So, my caption:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF WASHINGTON IN AND FOR THE COUNTY OF <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> KING<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> SMALL ESTATE AFFIDAVIT<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> AFFIDAVIT OF -xxxx-- ( the beneficiary/ person handling the small <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> estate<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> matter)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> FOR DISTRIBUTION OF DECEDENT’S PROPERTY<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Below that, I put the affidavit.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> The Clerk did say " I can't remember if I've seen someone file one of <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> these .." but she didn't bat an eye and just went about the business <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> of taking it, giving me my cause #, and the stamp to conform the <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> copies I took. I actually had my client issue multiple originals as a <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> couple of the asset holders asked for the ORIGINAL affidavit. I don't <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> know why a straight up conformed copy would not have been good enough <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> but it was easy enough to accomodate the request.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> andrekita<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Law Office of F. Andrekita Silva<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> 1325 Fourth Avenue, Suite 2000<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Seattle, Washington 98101<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> 206-224-8288<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <a href="http://www.seattle-silvalaw.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none'>www.seattle-silvalaw.com</span></a> <<a href="http://www.seattle-silvalaw.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none'>http://www.seattle-silvalaw.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Quoting Paul Neumiller <pneumiller@hotmail.com<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <<a href="mailto:pneumiller@hotmail.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none'>mailto:pneumiller@hotmail.com</span></a>>>:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Andrekita, how did you file the Affidavit? Did you use a standard<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> masthead, and if yes, who did you put as the parties? Was the cause<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> number as a civil action or a probate action, or ??? Thanks, I’m<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> just trying to figure out how you did this because I suspect the<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> court clerks in my county would reject filing the Affidavit.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> IMPORTANT NOTICE: This e-mail message is intended to be received<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> only by persons entitled to receive the confidential information it<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> may contain. E-mail messages to clients of Paul A. 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I had a small estate and<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> one of the asset holders of some stock options insisted on an EIN and<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> insisted that the asset needed to be distributed to the estate, not<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> the beneficiary.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> After a few rounds of communication, explaining the whole purpose for<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> the small affidavit procedure being to avoid the cost of probate),<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> etc. and getting nowhere, I filed the small estate affidavit with the<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> court.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> I sent the conformed copy of the affidavit (with its cause number and<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> date stamp received by courthouse) to the asset holder with a copy of<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> the statute and again, explained the purpose of the statute. I do not<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> ordinarily file the small estate affidavit with the court. But, in<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> this case, it seemed to do the trick. The asset holder had many<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> different versions of forms and finally came up with the one that<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> addressed our situation.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> So, if you haven’t filed the affidavit and gotten a cause number, try<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> that.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> andrekita<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Law Office of F. Andrekita Silva<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> 1325 Fourth Avenue, Suite 2000<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Seattle, Washington 98101<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> 206-224-8288<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <a href="http://www.seattle-silvalaw.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none'>www.seattle-silvalaw.com</span></a> <<a href="http://www.seattle-silvalaw.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none'>http://www.seattle-silvalaw.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Quoting Eric Nelsen <Eric@sayrelawoffices.com<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <<a href="mailto:Eric@sayrelawoffices.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none'>mailto:Eric@sayrelawoffices.com</span></a>>>:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> No, not based on the information I have from the custodian. It's<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> pretty clear that they want to (A) transfer the decedent's IRA<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> investments into an "Estate IRA" with an EIN tied to the Estate,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> and then (B) let the PR direct them how to distribute the new<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Estate IRA. They don't want to collapse the steps and allow<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> direct transfer to the three heirs.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Eric<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Eric C. 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Thank You./<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> *From:* <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none'>wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none'>mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none'>mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</span></a>>> *On Behalf Of* Eric<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Nelsen<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 7, 2019 11:04 AM<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> *To:* WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv (<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none'>wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none'>mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</span></a>>) <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none'>mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</span></a>>><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> *Subject:* [WSBAPT] IRA with "Estate" beneficiary, and RCW 11.62<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> small estate affidavit<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> I didn't think this was a first for me, but maybe it is--<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Decedent had a small IRA that had the default "estate"<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> beneficiary. Total value less than $30,000.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Submitted a small estate affidavit directing distribution to my<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> client, for my client's account and also as agent for the other<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> two heirs. Obviously my client isn't the PR of the Estate, but<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> just a "successor" entitled to submit the affidavit, and also<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> agent for the other heirs per their authorizations.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Custodian of the IRA refuses to distribute, because the "Estate"<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> is the beneficiary, and therefore there must be a PR appointed<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> who can receive the money on behalf of the "Estate."<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Is there no way around starting a probate in this scenario? I am<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> thinking my client is stuck with starting a probate.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Eric<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Eric C. Nelsen<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> SAYRE LAW OFFICES, PLLC<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> 1417 31st Ave South<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Seattle WA 98144-3909<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> phone 206-625-0092<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> fax 206-625-9040<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> andrekita<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Law Office of F. 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