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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrekita Silva<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 07, 2019 2:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] IRA with "Estate" beneficiary, and RCW 11.62 small estate affidavit<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Eric<br>
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I had a similar situation this past summer. I had a small estate and one of the asset holders of some stock options insisted on an EIN and insisted that the asset needed to be distributed to the estate, not the beneficiary.<br>
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After a few rounds of communication, explaining the whole purpose for the small affidavit procedure being to avoid the cost of probate), etc. and getting nowhere, I filed the small estate affidavit with the court. <br>
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I sent the conformed copy of the affidavit (with its cause number and date stamp received by courthouse) to the asset holder with a copy of the statute and again, explained the purpose of the statute. I do not ordinarily file the small estate affidavit with
the court. But, in this case, it seemed to do the trick. The asset holder had many different versions of forms and finally came up with the one that addressed our situation. <br>
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So, if you haven’t filed the affidavit and gotten a cause number, try that.<br>
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andrekita<br>
Law Office of F. Andrekita Silva<br>
1325 Fourth Avenue, Suite 2000<br>
Seattle, Washington 98101<br>
206-224-8288<br>
<a href="http://www.seattle-silvalaw.com">www.seattle-silvalaw.com</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">No, not based on the information I have from the custodian. It's pretty clear that they want to (A) transfer the decedent's IRA investments into an "Estate
IRA" with an EIN tied to the Estate, and then (B) let the PR direct them how to distribute the new Estate IRA. They don't want to collapse the steps and allow direct transfer to the three heirs.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of</b> Jane Bitz<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 07, 2019 11:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] IRA with "Estate" beneficiary, and RCW 11.62 small estate affidavit</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of</b> Eric Nelsen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 7, 2019 11:04 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv (<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>) <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] IRA with "Estate" beneficiary, and RCW 11.62 small estate affidavit<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I didn't think this was a first for me, but maybe it is--<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Decedent had a small IRA that had the default "estate" beneficiary. Total value less than $30,000.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Custodian of the IRA refuses to distribute, because the "Estate" is the beneficiary, and therefore there must be a PR appointed who can receive the money on behalf of the "Estate."<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Is there no way around starting a probate in this scenario? I am thinking my client is stuck with starting a probate.<o:p></o:p></p>
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