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<DIV><FONT size=4>I have a case that is similar. We sent a notice to
creditors to the hospital as a known creditor addressed exactly like the billing
we knew about which had on its second line “nursing home” after “the ______
medical center” which was on the first line. A different bill came a few
days prior to the end of the 30 day response and a few days before the end of
the 4 months from publication date (for a lot more money), but it didn’t
have the second line “nursing home” . I didn’t notice the
difference in the second billing, and so I didn’t send a new notice as a known
creditor. Later, I wrote a letter after a repeat billing saying “we wrote you,
your time is up”. The addresses on each billing were the same except for
the second line, which I would argue is not part of the address. They
called me and said “we can’t find your letter when you sent us the notice to
creditors, what address did you use” and I accurately gave the street
address we used. We didn’t and never do put in account numbers. Not
sure if they will come back. Any thoughts?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=tculbertson@lukins.com
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 21, 2018 9:40 AM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [WSBAPT] Letters to Known Creditors - Duty toprovide
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">I was about to reply saying
essentially what Heather did, and Heather did it for me.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">Reminds me of a personal
situation a number of years ago, when I got a dunning letter from a collection
agency for about $13 the same day I got a check back from the creditor/hospital
for the same amount. As a family we seemed to have about a gazillion account
numbers with that provider and our payment was credited to the wrong account.
I called the collection agency, spoke to someone who was very sympathetic
(!) and who deadpanned “Yea, when you park there they attach something to your
car so that from that point forward, every time you drive by they assign you an
additional account number.”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Heather deVrieze<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 21, 2018
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<P class=MsoNormal>Brent, <o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>RCW 11.40.020 merely provides that the Personal
Representative may give actual notice to creditors who become known, by “<SPAN
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the notice on the creditor or mailing the notice to the creditor at the
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prepaid”</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>This is all that is required to limit that creditor to the
time period provided in 11.40.051 (four months from date of first publication or
30 days from date of actual notice, whichever is later). I have never gotten
push-back from a creditor who was provided actual notice (I send a copy of our
declaration of mailing and/or affidavit of diligence) when we reject a
claim.<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>That said, I generally attempt to include account numbers
when I have them on notices from creditors. As much as anything, this helps us
keep track of which creditors we notified and when.<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I am a bit confused by the last bit of your post. You state
that no one has sent a claim and you want to make sure you didn’t miss something
before rejecting. If there was no claim, there is nothing to reject.
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<P class=MsoNormal><B>From:</B> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com
<wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com> <B>On Behalf Of </B>Brent
Williams-Ruth<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 21, 2018 8:46 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I am helping a PR with an
estate where the hospital immediately sent the bills of the decedent to
collections. That's fine - so we sent notice to both the hospital and collection
agency when mailing the notice to known creditors. However, given how the
hospital bills, they opened ten (10) different creditor accounts with the
collection agency. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">If that collection agency
received a direct letter and copy of the notice to probate creditors but does
not list the various account numbers, is there an argument that they should have
been given "better" notice?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">My question: Has anyone had
push back from a creditor that received the notice (as prescribed by 11.40.030)
but didn't provide account numbers? This isn't an insubstantial debt but
no one has sent a claim in accordance with the statute and I want to ensure that
before rejecting that there isn't something missed. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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