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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">Hi Tom:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">Well, I like it, that’s for sure. Logical. We’re saying, because at this point the children are the residuary beneficiaries, they will take when the income beneficiary dies (first event), thus
standing before the persons who will take on their death (second event) and allowing them to represent anyone who comes behind them – i.e., their children and more remote descendants.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">Kate<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Cataneo BT",serif;color:blue">Kate Szurek</span></i></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">, J.D., LL.M.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Thomas M. Culbertson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 07, 2018 8:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] parties "interested" in termination of disclaimer trust<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Kate and John, isn’t this a classic case of virtual representation under 11.96A.120(8)? The children are takers upon the happening of a future event (death of Mom), and the grandchildren are takers upon the
happening of a possible second future event (death of child before death of Mom), so the children virtually represent their children. I don’t see any need to have the grandchildren sign off. Or am I missing something?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John J. Sullivan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 05, 2018 8:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] parties "interested" in termination of disclaimer trust</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kate: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’ve taken the position in those cases that the adult grandchildren are “interested parties.” I’ve not had a problem getting sign offs. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have taken the position beneficiaries whose interested cannot be affected are no. For example, charities who are beneficiaries of specific bequests. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">John J. Sullivan<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Dec 5, 2018, at 4:33 PM, Kate Szurek <<a href="mailto:kate@skagitlaw.com">kate@skagitlaw.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">When dad died, mom exercised her right under the Will to disclaim a portion on dad’s estate into a Disclaimer Trust for her benefit over her lifetime. This was done at the time solely because her estate would
have been subject to estate taxes on her death (based on the then estate tax exemption) if she took distribution of his entire estate, as she was otherwise entitled to do under the Will.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">After the passage of time and the increase in the state’s estate tax exemption, the combined value of her estate and the current value of the Disclaimer Trust are well below the individual estate tax threshold.
She is also entering the later stages of her life and wants to make gifts to her children and grandchildren.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">My question is who are the “interested parties,” under TEDRA, in the trust?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The trust states that on the surviving spouse’s death, the trust is to be distributed in equal shares among her (and decedent’s) children. If any child is deceased, the child’s share is to be distributed
to the child’s surviving spouse If the child’s surviving spouse is also deceased, then the deceased child’s share is to be distributed to the deceased child’s surviving descendants (i.e., the decedent’s grandchildren, all of whom are adults, but for two minor
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Since it is easy to do so, I am going to have the surviving spouse (my client) sign individually and as trustee; the children will sign, as will their spouses. The parents can sign as virtual representatives
of their minor and unborn children. But what about the adult grandchildren?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Any opinions? Any true answers??</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Thanks in advance!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Kate</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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