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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I understood this property to be community property; how does the probate estate of the husband sell the half owned by the incapacitated wife?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I was not aware the probate court would have that authority.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>John McCrady<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Counsel<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Puget Sound Title Company<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>5350 Orchard Street West<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>University Place WA 98467<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>253-476-5721<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>j.mccrady@pstitle.com<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='color:windowtext'> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jane Bitz<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 15, 2018 12:10 PM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Title question<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Candace:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The AIP is the heir, but the PR can sell the home from the Estate and distribute the cash to the Guardianship estate. 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The sale of real estate out of a guardianship is a remarkably inefficient process focused on protection of the incapacitated person. I had my first full-intervention probate last year, which requires the same steps. You will have to make three separate court appearances to complete your sale, and publish notice in the middle of it. If you have another feasible option, use it. <o:p></o:p></p><p>Felicia <o:p></o:p></p><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Felicia Value<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Attorney at Law<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>PO Box 578/116 N. Third<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>La Conner, WA 98257<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>(360) 466-2088<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Felicia@skagitprobate.com">Felicia@skagitprobate.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 10/12/2018 4:34 PM, Heather deVrieze wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Candace,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The biggest issue I see is the substantial additional complexity of selling property in a guardianship estate than in a Probate estate. I don’t expect Title to have an issue, and I would be inclined to deed to the AIP, but then have the Guardian sign the REETA, but if it is going to be sold, it is infinitely easier for a Personal Representative with nonintervention powers to sell than for a Guardian to sell.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Heather<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Vladimir Script ;color:#1F497D",serif'>Heather S. de Vrieze</span><b><span style='font-size:16.0pt;color:#1F497D'><br></span></b><i><span style='font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#1F497D'>Attorney-at-Law</span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=189 height=105 id="_x0000_i1031" src="cid:image005.jpg@01D46482.07A2E8B0" alt="cid:image001.jpg@01D013C2.30F35160"></span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E'>3909 California Avenue SW</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E'>Seattle, WA 98116-3705 </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E'>(206)938-5500 </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:heatherd@westseattlelaw.com"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E'>heatherd@westseattlelaw.com</span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.westseattlelaw.com/"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E'>www.westseattlelaw.com</span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#002E8A'>Click here to connect with de Vrieze | Carney on Facebook: </span></b><b><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span></b><a href="https://www.facebook.com/DeVriezeCarney"><b><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=72 height=21 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image006.png@01D46482.07A2E8B0" alt="FB Logo"></span></b></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#A6A6A6'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#A6A6A6'>CONFIDENTIAL & PRIVILEGED. 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If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this e-mail message and any attachment.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com"><wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Candace Wilkerson<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 12, 2018 4:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com"><wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com></a><br><b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Title question<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hello everyone,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Decedent died in early 2018 without a will. His spouse receives 100% of the community property as a result. The main asset of the probate estate is a piece of real property. The surviving spouse is in a guardianship (person and estate). The personal representative of the estate wants to do a PR Deed so that the probate estate can be closed before the sale of the real property (no bites for the property listing so far). <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The guardian of the estate is the same person as the personal representative of the probate estate. I am drafting a PR deed from Grantor, PR of the probate estate, to Grantee, Guardian of the Guardianship Estate (same person). Or should it be conveyed to the individual AIP? Will any of this cause problems with the property title, if the probate estate closes and then the property is sold? <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thoughts would be appreciated. My client is inexplicably anxious to close the probate estate, but if there could be title issues I will inform him that probate should remain open until after property sale.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Candace Wilkerson<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=206 height=61 id="Picture_x0020_3" src="cid:image002.png@01D46482.07A2E8B0" alt="cid:image001.png@01CE09D5.7A30DDF0"> <br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>Top Ranked Law Firm for 2015 by Fortune Magazine and American Lawyer Media</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Candace Wilkerson<b> |</b> Senior Associate</span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:red'> </span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#484848'>| </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Wong Fleming </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:#7F7F7F'><hr size=2 width=287 style='width:215.25pt' noshade style='color:#A0A0A0' align=left></span></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>10675 Willows Road NE, Suite 250 </span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#484848'>| </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#484848'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Redmond, WA 98052</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#484848'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Phone: 425.869.4040 </span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#484848'>|</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#484848'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Fax: 425.869.4050 <br></span><a href="mailto:cwilkerson@wongfleming.com"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>cwilkerson@wongfleming.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><hr size=2 width=287 style='width:215.25pt' noshade style='color:#A0A0A0' align=left></span></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#993366'><img border=0 width=118 height=31 id="Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image003.png@01D46482.07A2E8B0" alt="NAMWOLF Law Firm Badgeweb (002)"></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=89 height=88 id="Picture_x0020_6" src="cid:image004.jpg@01D46482.07A2E8B0" alt="cid:image002.jpg@01D06189.41658350"></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:5.0pt'><span style='font-size:8.0pt'>Before proceeding, please note: If you are not a current client of Wong Fleming, please do not include any information in this e-mail that you or someone else considers to be of a confidential or secret nature. 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