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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Actually, that's a great question - what exactly does virtual representation mean? TEDRA uses it as if it were a well-understood concept, and it does give specific examples, but then it ends with, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><br><span style='font-size:13.0pt;color:black;background:white'>(12) This section is intended to adopt the common law concept of virtual representation. This section supplements the common law relating to the doctrine of virtual representation and may not be construed as limiting the application of that common law doctrine.</span><span style='font-size:13.0pt;color:black'><br><br></span><span style='font-size:13.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:13.0pt;color:black'>Wash. Rev. Code Ann. § 11.96A.120 (West)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>OK, so enter virtual /1 representation into your legal research search engine and see what you come up with in Washington. A good answer to the question is, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:13.0pt;color:black'>5 <i>Hackler</i> and <i>Bacon</i> illustrate that Washington recognizes what has been termed the <span style='background:white'>virtual</span> <span style='background:white'>representation</span> doctrine.<sup>12</sup> This doctrine allows collateral estoppel to be used against a nonparty when the former adjudication involved a party with substantial identity of interests with the nonparty. Of course, such preclusion must be applied cautiously in order to insure **967 that the nonparty is not unjustly deprived of her day in court. Therefore, cases which have utilized the doctrine *521 have developed a number of factors which, in essence, insure that the nonparty has had a vicarious day in court.<sup>13</sup><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:13.0pt;color:black'>6 </span><b><u><span style='font-size:13.0pt;color:red'>The primary factor to be considered is whether the nonparty in some way participated in the former adjudication</span></u></b><b><span style='font-size:13.0pt;color:red'>, for instance as a witness.<sup>14</sup> The issue must have been fully and fairly litigated at the former adjudication.<sup>15</sup> That the evidence and testimony will be identical to that presented in the former adjudication is another important factor.<sup>16</sup> <u>Finally, there must be some sense that the separation of the suits was the product of some manipulation or tactical maneuvering</u>, such as when the nonparty knowingly declined the opportunity to intervene but presents no valid reason for doing so.<sup>17</sup><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.0pt;color:black'><br><br></span><span style='font-size:13.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><u><span style='font-size:13.0pt;color:black'>Garcia v. Wilson</span></u><span style='font-size:13.0pt;color:black'>, 63 Wash. App. 516, 520–21, 820 P.2d 964, 966–67 (1991)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Then read .120 again. If you graft the doctrine's factors onto the text of .120, well, let's just say that "clarity" is not a word I would use. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Rob<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Robert D. Wilson-Hoss <br>Hoss & Wilson-Hoss, LLP <br>236 West Birch Street <br>Shelton, WA 98584 <br>360 426-2999<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><a href="www.hossandwilsonhoss.com">www.hossandwilson-hoss.com</a><br><a href="mailto:rob@hctc.com">rob@hctc.com</a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>This message is intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the addressee, you are hereby notified that any use, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. 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What do you mean by virtually represented? The kids who are receiving something also have a parent receiving something. The kids’ shares are supposed to go into a trust until they are 21. They are not receiving a specific gift, it is part of the residue, which is divided into numerous shares. We are not changing the distribution percentages at all, but doing as the trust says. The only reason I was going to prepare a TEDRA was because of the mandatory sub trusts that were never funded. I wonder if I am making it too complicated, and the trustees could just distribute all the assets as specified for termination/distribution and be done? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I appreciate any further comments because I do not have much experience with trusts.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you so much!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Krista <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Feb 26, 2018, at 6:32 PM, John J. Sullivan <<a href="mailto:sullaw@comcast.net">sullaw@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Krista:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Are the kids virtually represented?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Or ... are these specific bequests that they will receive? I have often taken the position that someone whose beneficial interest cannot be affected need not be a party to the TEDRA. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Maybe make the small specific bequests and then do the TEDRA? How will the minors receive their bequests?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>John J. Sullivan<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Feb 26, 2018, at 5:36 PM, Krista MacLaren <<a href="mailto:kjm.inc@mac.com">kjm.inc@mac.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Listmates, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am representing some step siblings/successor Trustees in wrapping up their respective parents’ trust. The trust provided for a mandatory credit shelter trust. The couple did not have enough money to need to utilize a credit shelter trust, and the second spouse died soon after the first. Now, the successor trustees are marshaling the assets and plan to make distributions that will wrap up the trust. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I was thinking that because they are not technically following the trust instructions, in that the credit shelter trust was never funded, and distributions are being made out of different pots than what the testators envisioned, that I would draft a TEDRA just to recite what they are doing and why they are doing it, and have all beneficiaries sign that agreement. However, a few thousand dollars is supposed to go to two or three kids who are 14-17 y.o. Does that mean that a GAL would need to be brought in, because they cannot sign a TEDRA on their own behalf? Could all of the other beneficiaries sign a TEDRA without the kids participating, and the trustees just hold the share of the kids until they are of age? If a GAL was needed, how does that happen in the context of a trust (as opposed to a probate)?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks you!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Krista<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Krista J. MacLaren<br>Attorney at Law<br>Northgate Executive Center II<br>9725 3rd Ave NE, Suite 600<br>Seattle WA 98115<br>(206) 523-6116<br><a href="mailto:kjm.inc@icloud.com">kjm.inc@icloud.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Please note, as with most email providers, Mac does not encrypt email messages. Accordingly, the confidentiality of messages sent to this address cannot be assured. This e-mail is intended for viewing only by the individual or entity to whom its content is addressed, and it may contain confidential or privileged information. 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