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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>She DID have one heir, her husband, now deceased and represented by your client, as his PR. Both probates could be “open & shut”. Appoint your client. She signs a PR deed from deceased wife to her now deceased husband, represented by herself as PR. Then her Deed from his estate to herself as sole owner.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Jane Bitz<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Jane G Bitz<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Of Counsel<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Wolff, Hislop & Crockett, PLLC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>12209 E Mission, Suite 5<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Spokane Valley WA 99206-4824<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>(509) 927-9700; FAX (509) 777-1800<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><a href="mailto:jane@jbitzlaw.com">jbitz@whc-attorneys.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brent Williams-Ruth<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 12, 2018 6:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] First Wife (Deceased) Still on Title<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thank you. I appreciate the guide. That is generally what I was thinking. But considering that the surviving spouse is now dead. Long dead. Probate completed. I am stuck in the practicality of this situation. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>To add further clarification - there were no children between the first wife and the husband. When she died, it was entirely community property that was left the husband. He moves on with life and meets Wife-2, they marry and have no kids. Husband now dies. Wife-2 hires an attorney to probate the estate. Probate is completed, Wife-2's name added to title. Wife-2 goes to get a loan just recently to help with the cost of being elderly in Seattle. Loan officer (likely title company) advises that Wife-1 is still on the title. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>What is the practical probate process? Intestate petition with my client requesting to be PR? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Appreciate the insights and suggestions. I am struck trying to figure out what/how a probate would work when she has no heirs. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 5:55 PM, Nicholas Pleasants <<a href="mailto:nick@pleasantslaw.com" target="_blank">nick@pleasantslaw.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>I’ll resend this chart that I use to consider whether doing a simple Lack of Probate Affidavit will work (I got it from the listserv maybe 6 months ago, and find it really helpful, although I can’t vouch for its accuracy – it’s just a guide). There are several questions you need to address – did the first wife have a Will? Were there kids of the first marriage that might potentially challenge heirs of the second marriage? What is the plan going forward for the heirs – sell the house now, or try to keep it in the family? You may also consider talking with a Title Officer to get their perspective. However, I think in the situation with a prior marriage, it would be wise to go through a double-probate (for first wife and then husband) and send notice to everyone who could potentially be an heir of the first wife to avoid any potential future challenges.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Nick</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='color:#4472C4'>Nicholas Pleasants</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>James Pleasants, P.C.<br>2300 130th Ave NE, Suite A-101<br>Bellevue, WA 98005-1755<br><a href="tel:(425)%20615-7070" target="_blank">(425) 615-7070</a> tel.<br><a href="tel:(425)%20497-0799" target="_blank">(425) 497-0799</a> fax<br><a href="mailto:nick@pleasantslaw.com" target="_blank">nick@pleasantslaw.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'>The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'>If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> James Bates [mailto:<a href="mailto:james.bates@lucelawfirm.com" target="_blank">james.bates@lucelawfirm.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 12, 2018 5:39 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] First Wife (Deceased) Still on Title<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Did they execute a Community Property Agreement? 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All Luce & Associates’ attorneys are licensed to practice law in Washington and do not intend to give legal advice to anyone with legal matters not involving Washington law or federal law or to those who are not clients of this firm. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brent Williams-Ruth<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 12, 2018 5:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] First Wife (Deceased) Still on Title<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Good Afternoon Friends of the List!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>New client calls, we have lovely chat regarding getting her set up for her estate plan. As we are talking she tells me that her deceased husband's first wife (who died in the 1980's - exact date not known off the top of her head) is still on the title of her home. Apparently after she died, he never probated her estate and when he died, they didn't know this so the title has both her and the first wife on title. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I guess I have just one real simple question: </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>1) Is there a quick and easy way that I can assist her without having to open full and complete probate?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p><b>Brent Williams-Ruth</b> <br><i>Founding Member</i><o:p></o:p></p><p><b>BWR Consulting, PLLC</b><o:p></o:p></p><p>Phone:<span style='color:#004080'> </span><a href="tel:(425)%20830-5134" target="_blank">(425) 830-5134</a><o:p></o:p></p><p><a href="mailto:brent@bwrconsults.com" target="_blank">e-mail</a> / <a href="http://www.bwrconsults.com" target="_blank">website</a> /<span style='font-size:9.5pt'> </span><a href="http://www.facebook.com/bwrconsults" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:9.5pt'>facebook</span></a><span style='font-size:9.5pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>_______________________________________________ WSBAPT mailing list <a href="mailto:WSBAPT@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">WSBAPT@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/wsbapt" target="_blank">http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/wsbapt</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>_______________________________________________<br>WSBAPT mailing list<br><a href="mailto:WSBAPT@lists.wsbarppt.com">WSBAPT@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br><a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/wsbapt" target="_blank">http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/wsbapt</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p><b><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Brent Williams-Ruth</span></b><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <br><i>Founding Member</i></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><b><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>BWR Consulting, PLLC</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Phone:<span style='color:#004080'> </span>(425) 830-5134</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><a href="mailto:brent@bwrconsults.com" target="_blank">e-mail</a> / <a href="http://www.bwrconsults.com" target="_blank">website</a> /</span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><a href="http://www.facebook.com/bwrconsults" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>facebook</span></a><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>