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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Rachel:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>In addition to Heather’s comments below, if Mom is elderly and has no long-term care insurance, the gift today of the property with a retained life estate would create a period of ineligibility for Medicaid assistance from the State. In addition, if Mom is receiving or becomes qualified for Medicaid assistance the State can recover the cost of the care provided by Medicaid, up to the value of her life estate, by placing a lien on the property at the time of Mom’s death. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Jane.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Jane G Bitz<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Of Counsel<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Wolff, Hislop & Crockett, PLLC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>12209 E Mission, Suite 5<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Spokane Valley WA 99206-4824<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>(509) 927-9700; FAX (509) 777-1800<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="mailto:jane@jbitzlaw.com">jbitz@whc-attorneys.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=346 height=174 style='width:3.6083in;height:1.8166in' id="_x0000_i1029" src="cid:image001.png@01D3780D.C63C39A0" alt="cid:image002.png@01D06C8A.419B0730"></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Heather deVrieze<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 18, 2017 12:55 PM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] life estate<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Rachel,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I think there are several differences between a Transfer on Death Deed (TODD) vs. Quit Claim Deed Retaining a Life Estate.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>First – a TODD is not a current gift requiring valuation and a gift tax return to report the gift. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Second – a TODD conveys no current interest now, possessory or otherwise, and can be revoked by the donor at any time while they are alive. The property can be sold with the owner/donor keeping all the proceeds. A remainder interest holder would be required to participate in a sale during owner/donor’s life.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Third – excise tax. If the property has debt, there may be excise tax due, and an excise tax affidavit will be required in any case. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Finally – basis. There is some confusion among tax professionals over whether a property interest received during life, but only fully possessory at death is entitled to a full step up in basis. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I can’t see a reason to use a life estate where a TODD is available to transfer property to a daughter at death.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Heather<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Vladimir Script";color:#1F497D'>Heather S. de Vrieze</span><b><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><br></span></b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#1F497D'>Attorney-at-Law<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=189 height=105 style='width:1.9666in;height:1.0916in' id="_x0000_i1027" src="cid:image003.jpg@01D3780D.C65A9710" alt="cid:image001.jpg@01D013C2.30F35160"></span></i><i><span style='font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E'>3909 California Avenue SW<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E'>Seattle, WA 98116-3705 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E'>(206)938-5500 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:heatherd@westseattlelaw.com"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E'>heatherd@westseattlelaw.com</span></a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.westseattlelaw.com/"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E'>www.westseattlelaw.com</span></a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#002E8A'>Click here to connect with de Vrieze | Carney on Facebook: </span></b><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span></b><a href="https://www.facebook.com/DeVriezeCarney"><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=72 height=21 style='width:.75in;height:.2166in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image004.png@01D3780D.C65A9710" alt="FB Logo"></span></b></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#A6A6A6'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#A6A6A6'>CONFIDENTIAL & PRIVILEGED. This e-mail message may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this e-mail message and any attachment.</span><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rachel Edmiston<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 18, 2017 11:50 AM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] life estate<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>From what I've been able to find, a life estate will do the same thing. Is that wrong? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Bryce Dille <<a href="mailto:BryceD@cdb-law.com" target="_blank">BryceD@cdb-law.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Why aren’t you using transfer on death deed so you preserve step up in basis on death of mother<o:p></o:p></p><div id="m_3719203290804146675AppleMailSignature"><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Dec 17, 2017, at 1:48 PM, Rachel Edmiston <<a href="mailto:rachel.edmiston@gmail.com" target="_blank">rachel.edmiston@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=m3719203290804146675gmail-msonormal>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=m3719203290804146675gmail-msonormal>One of my clients wants to give her house to her daughter and retain a life estate for herself. I thought this was done by filing a quit claim deed that retained a life estate, but I’m having a hard time finding a sample. Do any of you have one I could use as a guide? I’d also appreciate any helpful tips you might have or warnings about pitfalls as I’ve obviously never done this before.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=m3719203290804146675gmail-msonormal>Thank you,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=m3719203290804146675gmail-msonormal>Rachel Edmiston<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><br>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#38761D;background:#F3F3F3'>Rachel Edmiston, </span><span style='color:#888888'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'>PO Box 13738</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'>Mill Creek, WA 98082</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'>T: <a href="tel:(425)%20945-6333" target="_blank">425-945-6333</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'>F: <a href="tel:(425)%20272-4294" target="_blank">425-272-4294</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>CONFIDENTIAL: ATTORNEY/CLIENT PRIVILEGED; ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT The information contained in this email is intended for the individual or entity above. 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