<div dir="ltr">Hi John,<div><br></div><div>W has some health problems and stepmother was a big younger than W's father. There is a very real chance that W could die before stepmother.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">Best,</div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">David J. Faber</div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">Faber Feinson PLLC</div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">210 Polk Street, Suite 1</div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">Port Townsend, WA 98368<br>(360) 379-4110</div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><span style="font-family:Helvetica">*** NOTICE: ATTORNEY CLIENT COMMUNICATION - PRIVILEGED & CONFIDENTIAL. This communication may contain privileged or other confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and destroy the copy you received.***</span></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 12:04 PM, John Creahan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:john@cairn-law.com" target="_blank">john@cairn-law.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#595959">Is W likely to outlive stepmom, given their ages and what you know about their health?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.<wbr>wsbarppt.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Faber<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Modifying Beneficiaries of an Irrevocable Trust<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div class="h5">
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Thank you for getting back to me. The gift route would be the simplest, but I am trying to avoid gift tax implications if at all possible. The Trust has no power of appointment and provides the following:<u></u><u></u></p>
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(1) upon death of the surviving grantor, the four children each share equally in the remaining trust estate; (2) if one of the four children predecease the surviving grantor, the predeceased child's share is distributed to their issue; (3) if no issue, then
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Provided one of W or C is still living, then they would take under either (1) or (2) above, so I'm trying to figure out whether them being the only contingent beneficiaries of W's trust share, at least up to that point, would allow them to vary the terms of
the trust to pass to H without triggering the gift tax implications. Additionally, W, in particular, wants to ensure that H receives the future interest in the trust now rather than relying upon C to make the gift at some future date. C is currently willing
and happy to make the transfer, but upon W's death, C might have a change of heart. We're trying to account for all of these eventualities before they occur. An agreement to give a gift in the future wouldn't stand up, but I guess I'm wondering if some written
evidence of a gift of a future interest in an irrevocable trust would so stand up.<u></u><u></u></p>
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On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Doug Owens <<a href="mailto:dougowens@seattlerelawyer.com" target="_blank">dougowens@seattlerelawyer.com</a><wbr>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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Dear David, this is an interesting question. It is hard to answer your specific question without looking at the trust language. It may not be binding on anyone but W and C could agree that upon the death first of W and then of stepmother, C could simply gift
the share coming to C to H. There could be gift tax implications for C but unless the share is very large there would not likely be any actual gift tax to pay at the time. Yours truly, Doug Owens<u></u><u></u></p>
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On Aug 29, 2017, at 9:55 AM, David Faber <<a href="mailto:david@faberfeinson.com" target="_blank">david@faberfeinson.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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(W)ife is a remainder beneficiary of a family trust along with three siblings. The trust became irrevocable upon her father's death. The trust specifies that if W predeceases her stepmother, W's share passes to W's issue upon stepmother's death. W has a (C)hild
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Would having W & C, as all of the remainder beneficiaries of a particular tranche of the trust estate, execute a written agreement directing the tranche to H upon W's passing work to supplant the current pathing of remainder beneficiaries?<u></u><u></u></p>
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