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<div style="direction:ltr">The debt is a community debt, right? If so, she is liable despite the fact that it was for his care.</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com> on behalf of Rob Wilson-Hoss <rob@hctc.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 14, 2017 8:25:55 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] creditor claim</font>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">This is something I run into all the time. A creditor's claim, in the context of a marriage, is almost always about a community debt. The creditor has a claim against the Estate for payment, but it is also
a claim against the surviving spouse as a community debt. So whatever you do to eliminate the creditor's claim in the estate, you haven't solved her problem:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:14.0pt; color:#212121; background:white">"The liability of property of spouses or domestic partners held by them as community property to execution in satisfaction of a claim enforceable against
such property so held shall not be affected by the death of either or both spouses or either or both domestic partners; and a cause of action shall remain an asset as though both claiming spouses or both claiming domestic partners continued to live despite
the death of either or both claiming spouses or both claiming domestic partners."
</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt; color:#212121">RCW 4.20.046.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:14.0pt; color:#212121">The way to beat this is with the family support allowance, chapter 11.54, which specifically exempts particular debts from execution if it applies. In your case, it
may not be worth it to try that approach. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:14.0pt; color:#212121">On the other hand, it is incredible to me how many creditors there are who tell you, after they learn that the primary debtor spouse is deceased, that they will only
seek recovery from the estate and not the other spouse. Usually this comes from out of state, and it may be explained by unfamiliarity with community property laws here. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:14.0pt; color:#212121">Rob</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Krista MacLaren<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 13, 2017 5:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> wsba probate & trust<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] creditor claim</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I represented a W as PR of her husband’s estate. Before she hired me, she went out of her way to pay all of his bills - lots of bills I would have told her not to pay. She was absolutely certain there were no other creditors, and did
not want to provide notice to creditors, since there were none. ;) We closed the probate fairly quickly because it was only needed for transferring the house. Now there is a creditor who submitted a bill for $8,000 for I think a medical expense. She never
saw a bill from them until now.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I know that the creditor has 2 years from date of death (which is more than a year away), but I am wondering whether I can tell my client that she is responsible for the bill if it is legitimate, but also tell her she can “play dumb”, calling
the company and saying that her husband’s probate is closed and done and it’s too late, and let the creditor investigate about whether it is really too late? Is there anything wrong with this approach? I don’t know whether my client would feel comfortable
with this strategy, but I am wondering whether other lawyers view it as acceptable or unethical?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Krista J. MacLaren<br>
Attorney at Law<br>
Northgate Executive Center II<br>
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Seattle, WA 98115<br>
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