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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Further comment on this issue:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Marilyn: You are far more generous with information than the statute says you need be. All I do is send a copy of the Notice to Creditors, without any information, or any hint that the creditor might, indeed, have a claim, even though the reason that I am sending them the Notice to Creditors is because my client has some information at hand that indicates that a possible claim is in existence. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I would rather that the creditor flounder around and not gain the necessary info within its files in time to file a valid Creditor’s Claim. That is also why, other than the statutory references that are included in the Notice to Creditors, per statute, I give no info as to what the possible creditor must do to preserve its/his/her rights, nor will I answer any phone calls that come from ANY Creditors, unless I have initiated contact in an attempt to negotiate the amount to be paid.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Along the same line, I know of another probate attorney who tells the story of having sent out a Notice to Creditors to DSHS Office of Financial Recovery, as we are all required to do when a Notice to Creditors is filed. DSHS filed a Creditor’s Claim for many thousands of dollars in Medicaid, but that amount was only about one-half of the actual amount that records available to the PR indicated was owed. I don’t think the PR has to let the State know about this error.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I should state that, as an attorney, I well understand that one’s primary duty is to the client, not the State, and there is, of course, no mandatory reporting requirement when the State errs. I should also note that I feel that protecting is the attorney’s chief duty and not reporting such an error would make me feel that I had done my job for my client. However, I should also add that, as a taxpayer, I am absolutely outraged at the sloppiness of this important state agency.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Doug Bratt<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Calligraphy";color:#1F497D'>Douglas J. Bratt</span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Lucida Calligraphy";color:#1F497D'>Lawyer</span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><img width=165 height=167 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D2D88C.55881B50" alt="Envelope scaled Terry"></span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Office: (360) 213-2040 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> Fax: (360) 213-2030<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message may contain confidential or privileged information. If you have received this message by mistake, please do not review, disclose, copy, or distribute the email. Instead, please notify us immediately by replying to this message or telephoning us. Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>NOTE:</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'>I do not use encrypted email. Messages sent to or from my office via email are not secure and may not be protected by attorney-client privilege. This email address is not monitored at all times. If your matter is urgent, please phone my office during regular business hours.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marilyn J Kliman Law<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 27, 2017 1:30 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] creditor's claim amount<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thanks, Sara. I think my equivocation is that the bank as an entity HAS notice– hence their filed claim against the 3 credit cards. When I send Notice, I never specify the debt – only state “<i>We have information indicating that the decedent may have been indebted to you</i>.” My gut is that it isn’t the PR’s job to say “Whoops…. You missed one.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>No?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sara Longley<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 27, 2017 1:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] creditor's claim amount<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hi Marilyn,<br><br>The estate is not obligated to send notice, but it sounds as though the bank is an ascertainable creditor and therefore could assert the 24 month claim period if they are not given actual notice.<br><br>I am not at my computer so I cannot double check my instinct, but if the line of credit is secured I believe the bank can assert its rights regardless of the probate claim period.<br><br>Best,<br>Sara <br><br><br>Sara D. Longley, JD, LL.M.<br>1734 NW Market Street <br>Seattle, WA 98107<br>(206)434-5644<br><a href="mailto:Sara@Longley-law.pro">Sara@Longley-law.pro</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:marilyn@marilynjklimanlaw.com">Marilyn J Kliman Law</a></span><br><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Sent: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>5/27/2017 11:43 AM</span><br><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>To: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv</a></span><br><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Subject: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>[WSBAPT] creditor's claim amount</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Just in case anyone is out there today ….. I am spending way too much time trying to research this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Decedent left debt to Bank of America for 3 credit cards and line of credit. Bank of America has filed a claim for the credit cards, but not for the line of credit. Presumably they filed based on published notice, as we did not send direct notice. Is PR obligated to send direct notice to the same claimant re: additional debt for the line of credit?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Rage Italic";background:white'>Marilyn J.Kliman<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";background:white'>Marilyn J. 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