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<DIV>Look carefully as to where the property would go if there is a disclaimer before making it a disclaimer.</DIV>
<DIV>If the other beneficiaries are the PR's siblings, then the will may provide for property to go to siblings' children if sibling predeceases.</DIV>
<DIV>That will not get you to where you want to go. Disclaimer merely treats the disclaiming person as if they dies before the decedent.</DIV>
<DIV>So you look to the will to see what happens if that sibling predeceases.</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" dir=ltr><I><B>Date:</B></I> 5/4/2017 10:44:42 AM</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>No, it is a combined account with checking, savings and a money market components. No beneficiary is named on the account(s) held at a local credit union.<O:P></O:P></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I have a potential client who is the PR of his father’s estate, represented by counsel. He states that his dad told everyone (including his financial advisor and others) that he was going to name him as beneficiary of his investment account. Dad died before filling out the paperwork. Apparently, the other heirs (all adults) are willing to agree to give him the funds in the account. His current counsel, who represents him as the PR, will not prepare a TEDRA agreement to this effect and told him to hire other counsel to do so.<O:P></O:P></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Is there any reason I should not prepare this agreement as long as the other heirs are going into it with full knowledge and consent that they don’t have to sign it? Other than including a paragraph stating that they have been advised to seek independent counsel and had the opportunity to do so, is there anything else I should have in there to keep myself out of trouble?<O:P></O:P></P></DIV></DIV>
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