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1. I need ideas - 1/2 community real property into trust<br>
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2. Re: I need ideas - 1/2 community real property into trust<br>
(Eric Nelsen)<br>
3. Re: I need ideas - 1/2 community real property into trust<br>
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 10:34:20 -0700<br>
From: Christopher Small <<a href="mailto:chris@cmslawfirm.com">chris@cmslawfirm.com</a>><br>
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Subject: [WSBAPT] I need ideas - 1/2 community real property into<br>
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Interesting scenario here, would love some feedback.<br>
<br>
Here are the facts:<br>
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- Married couple owns home outright - community property<br>
- Spouse 1 dies with will, leaving home to Spouse 2<br>
- S1's estate needs to go through probate for other reasons<br>
- S2 now sick, wants to put property into trust (for various reasons)<br>
<br>
Question - is there any way to get the property into the trust without<br>
having to wait until the probate is complete?<br>
<br>
More specifically, is it possible for S2 to transfer his interest in the<br>
property into trust now and transfer the remaining interest that (I think)<br>
is currently frozen until probate is complete?<br>
<br>
Would love anyone's feedback, ideas, etc. If you need more info, please let<br>
me know.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
Christopher Small<br>
CMS Law Firm LLC <<a href="http://cmslawfirm.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://cmslawfirm.com</a>><br>
150 Lake St. S., Suite 218<br>
Kirkland, WA 98033<br>
<a href="tel:206.659.1512" value="+12066591512">206.659.1512</a><br>
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 17:58:02 +0000<br>
From: Eric Nelsen <<a href="mailto:Eric@sayrelawoffices.com">Eric@sayrelawoffices.com</a>><br>
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Yes, can do with a single deed now, so long as it includes after-acquired title. QCD must specify expressly that it includes after-acquired title; any other statutory deed (warranty or bargain & sale) automatically includes after-acquired title. RCW 64.04.070<<a href="http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=64.04&full=true#64.04.070" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://app.leg.wa.<wbr>gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=64.<wbr>04&full=true#64.04.070</a>>.<br>
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To make things as clear as possible and flag the issue for anyone examining title, I would probably put an extra recital in the deed, indicating that the Grantor's interest conveyed includes S2's fee simple interest in community property, together with all right, title, and interest to be after acquired by distribution to S2 from the Estate of S1, probated under X County Superior Court Case #Y..<br>
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I'm interested in what our title colleagues would say, too--it seems tricky to me, to deal with after-acquired title issues, because the deeds will be out of chronological order in the title chain.<br>
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Sincerely,<br>
<br>
Eric<br>
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Eric C. Nelsen<br>
SAYRE LAW OFFICES, PLLC<br>
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From: <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.<wbr>com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.<wbr>wsbarppt.com</a>] On Behalf Of Christopher Small<br>
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 10:34 AM<br>
To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br>
Subject: [WSBAPT] I need ideas - 1/2 community real property into trust<br>
<br>
Interesting scenario here, would love some feedback.<br>
Here are the facts:<br>
<br>
* Married couple owns home outright - community property<br>
* Spouse 1 dies with will, leaving home to Spouse 2<br>
* S1's estate needs to go through probate for other reasons<br>
* S2 now sick, wants to put property into trust (for various reasons)<br>
<br>
Question - is there any way to get the property into the trust without having to wait until the probate is complete?<br>
<br>
More specifically, is it possible for S2 to transfer his interest in the property into trust now and transfer the remaining interest that (I think) is currently frozen until probate is complete?<br>
<br>
Would love anyone's feedback, ideas, etc. If you need more info, please let me know.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
Christopher Small<br>
CMS Law Firm LLC<<a href="http://cmslawfirm.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://cmslawfirm.com</a>><br>
150 Lake St. S., Suite 218<br>
Kirkland, WA 98033<br>
<a href="tel:206.659.1512" value="+12066591512">206.659.1512</a><br>
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 11:20:46 -0700<br>
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Great advice/information/analysis.<br>
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I agree that it seems tricky.<br>
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Looking forward to hearing what everyone else thinks!<br>
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Cheers,<br>
<br>
Christopher Small<br>
CMS Law Firm LLC <<a href="http://cmslawfirm.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://cmslawfirm.com</a>><br>
150 Lake St. S., Suite 218<br>
Kirkland, WA 98033<br>
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On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Eric Nelsen <<a href="mailto:Eric@sayrelawoffices.com">Eric@sayrelawoffices.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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> Yes, can do with a single deed now, so long as it includes after-acquired<br>
> title. QCD must specify expressly that it includes after-acquired title;<br>
> any other statutory deed (warranty or bargain & sale) automatically<br>
> includes after-acquired title. RCW 64.04.070<br>
> <<a href="http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=64.04&full=true#64.04.070" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/<wbr>default.aspx?cite=64.04&full=<wbr>true#64.04.070</a>>.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> To make things as clear as possible and flag the issue for anyone<br>
> examining title, I would probably put an extra recital in the deed,<br>
> indicating that the Grantor's interest conveyed includes S2's fee simple<br>
> interest in community property, together with all right, title, and<br>
> interest to be after acquired by distribution to S2 from the Estate of S1,<br>
> probated under X County Superior Court Case #Y..<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> I'm interested in what our title colleagues would say, too--it seems<br>
> tricky to me, to deal with after-acquired title issues, because the deeds<br>
> will be out of chronological order in the title chain.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Sincerely,<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Eric<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Eric C. Nelsen<br>
><br>
> SAYRE LAW OFFICES, PLLC<br>
><br>
> 1417 31st Ave South<br>
><br>
> Seattle WA 98144-3909<br>
><br>
> phone <a href="tel:206-625-0092" value="+12066250092">206-625-0092</a> <(206)%20625-0092><br>
><br>
> fax 206-625-9040 <(206)%20625-9040><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> *Please Note that We Have Moved.* We have moved our Seattle office to<br>
> Mount Baker Ridge (a small commercial community just above the I-90<br>
> tunnel). *Our new address is 1417 31st Avenue South, Seattle WA 98144. *All<br>
> other contact information remains the same.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> *From:* <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.<wbr>com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists">wsbapt-bounces@lists</a>.<br>
> <a href="http://wsbarppt.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">wsbarppt.com</a>] *On Behalf Of *Christopher Small<br>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 10, 2017 10:34 AM<br>
> *To:* WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br>
> *Subject:* [WSBAPT] I need ideas - 1/2 community real property into trust<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Interesting scenario here, would love some feedback.<br>
><br>
> Here are the facts:<br>
><br>
> - Married couple owns home outright - community property<br>
> - Spouse 1 dies with will, leaving home to Spouse 2<br>
> - S1's estate needs to go through probate for other reasons<br>
> - S2 now sick, wants to put property into trust (for various reasons)<br>
><br>
> Question - is there any way to get the property into the trust without<br>
> having to wait until the probate is complete?<br>
><br>
> More specifically, is it possible for S2 to transfer his interest in the<br>
> property into trust now and transfer the remaining interest that (I think)<br>
> is currently frozen until probate is complete?<br>
><br>
> Would love anyone's feedback, ideas, etc. If you need more info, please<br>
> let me know.<br>
><br>
> Sincerely,<br>
><br>
> Christopher Small<br>
><br>
> CMS Law Firm LLC <<a href="http://cmslawfirm.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://cmslawfirm.com</a>><br>
><br>
> 150 Lake St. S., Suite 218<br>
><br>
> Kirkland, WA 98033<br>
><br>
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 11:21:46 -0700<br>
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If there are no creditor problems or tax problems how about distributing<br>
the home early?<br>
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Mark<br>
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On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Christopher Small <<a href="mailto:chris@cmslawfirm.com">chris@cmslawfirm.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
<br>
> Interesting scenario here, would love some feedback.<br>
><br>
> Here are the facts:<br>
><br>
> - Married couple owns home outright - community property<br>
> - Spouse 1 dies with will, leaving home to Spouse 2<br>
> - S1's estate needs to go through probate for other reasons<br>
> - S2 now sick, wants to put property into trust (for various reasons)<br>
><br>
> Question - is there any way to get the property into the trust without<br>
> having to wait until the probate is complete?<br>
><br>
> More specifically, is it possible for S2 to transfer his interest in the<br>
> property into trust now and transfer the remaining interest that (I think)<br>
> is currently frozen until probate is complete?<br>
><br>
> Would love anyone's feedback, ideas, etc. If you need more info, please<br>
> let me know.<br>
><br>
> Sincerely,<br>
> Christopher Small<br>
> CMS Law Firm LLC <<a href="http://cmslawfirm.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://cmslawfirm.com</a>><br>
> 150 Lake St. S., Suite 218<br>
> Kirkland, WA 98033<br>
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