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<DIV>wow - maybe I cd get $75/hr! </DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 3/9/2017 1:40:13 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif'>Marilyn,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif'>Linking the fee to
lost wages is a great argument to make. I have done it several times;
$30/hour is not unreasonable. I have done $40 and $60/hr in the case of
a commercial plumber who had to take time off work to clean up his father’s
condo (who was also a hoarder).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif'>Just my two
cents.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Marilyn J Kliman Law<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 9,
2017 11:31 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv'
<wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [WSBAPT] what
qualifies as a cost of administration?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>Thanks, Paul. We
fully intend to deduct compensation for the PR’s time. But that reminds me …
was wondering what folks thought about a reasonable per hour amount. Since son
lives in Maine, he unavoidably missed work for almost 2 weeks, so $30/hr or
the amount of lost wages? Opinions?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Paul Neumiller<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 09, 2017
11:19 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv'<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [WSBAPT] what qualifies as a cost of
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: #1f497d'>Not
sure why you are limiting the PR recovery to only reimbursement of
out-of-pocket expenses. I have seen judges award PR fees and
compensation for cleaning out residences in order to prepare them for sale of
$30 per hour. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Marilyn J Kliman Law<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 9,
2017 10:33 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv' <<A title=mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</A>><BR><B>Subject:</B>
[WSBAPT] what qualifies as a cost of
administration?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>Folks
–<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>Out-of-state
sole surviving heir, son of decedent & appointed PR, had to come here to
clean up hoarder mom’s house to make it saleable. He spent substantial time
away from work and bookoo bucks for cleaning, hauling, etc,, in addition to
the cost of airfare. Normally, of course, it wouldn’t matter how costs
were categorized as it would eventually all come out of the same pot for a
sole heir. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>However, DSHS
has a substantial lien on the house – the only asset – likely exceeding the
value of the property. They have agreed to accept a reduced percentage but,
depending on what the house sells for, the DSHS recovery may eat up what’s
left when it’s their turn, a la RCW 11.76.110, leaving nothing for the
son. Seems only reasonable that, at very least, son should not end up in
the negative for out-of-pocket costs. (We did negotiate the reduced lien with
DSHS before advising son to even open probate vs. walking away, but son has
since discovered greater debt than anticipated.) <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>So … I have
not found any definitive law or rule as to what constitutes “costs of
administration.” Technically, is maximizing the estate value by coming
here and cleaning up the house an administrative expense? My thought at this
point is to submit all out-of-pocket costs as expenses and let DSHS object if
they care to.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>Thoughts and
wisdom?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; BACKGROUND: white'>Marilyn
J. Kliman, Attorney at Law</SPAN></B><SPAN style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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