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be addressed. If a lien is recorded, but no claim filed the statute of limitations will bar collection. I do not see the Department actively pursuing recovery, but if they are notified of probate, they tend to file their claims, and liens, and wait for settlement
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger Hawkes<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 24, 2017 10:48 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] creditor SOL<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks, Doug. I am curious about the practical effect of this for Medicaid liens. Are they truly liens before filing? Are they subject to 4 month or other time
limitation? Mostly I don’t see the state trying to collect them, even though they get special notices.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Roger Hawkes, WSBA 5173<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> Doug Lawrence [<a href="mailto:Doug.Lawrence@stokeslaw.com">mailto:Doug.Lawrence@stokeslaw.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 24, 2017 9:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] creditor SOL<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:#993366">Hi all:</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:#C0504D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:#C0504D">The general statute (4.16.160) says statutes of limitation do not bar the state from bringing an action if the action is brought for the benefit of the
state, But the nonclaim statute of 11.40 nonetheless applies. Here are some headnotes on this issue:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="notetext" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:#C0504D">Nonclaim statutes are judicially created exception to rule of state immunity from operation of limitation periods.
<a href="https://1.next.westlaw.com/Link/Document/FullText?findType=Y&serNum=1984155788&pubNum=0000661&originatingDoc=NDE4F4CB09D7E11DA82A9861CF4CA18AB&refType=RP&originationContext=notesOfDecisions&contextData=%28sc.DocLink%29&transitionType=NotesOfDecisionItem" title="Bellevue School Dist. No. 405 v. Brazier Const. Co. (1984) 103 Wash.2d 111, 691 P.2d 178"><span style="color:#C0504D">Bellevue
School Dist. No. 405 v. Brazier Const. Co. (1984) 103 Wash.2d 111, 691 P.2d 178</span></a>. <a href="https://1.next.westlaw.com/Browse/Home/KeyNumber/241k11(1)/View.html?docGuid=NDE4F4CB09D7E11DA82A9861CF4CA18AB&originationContext=notesOfDecisions&contextData=%28sc.DocLink%29&transitionType=NotesOfDecisionItem" title="Limitation Of Actions 11(1)"><span style="color:#C0504D">Limitation
Of Actions</span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="color:#C0504D;text-decoration:none"> </span></span><span style="color:#C0504D;text-decoration:none"><img border="0" width="16" height="8" id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image004.gif@01D27639.BB1EB150" alt="Key Number"><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="color:#C0504D">11(1)</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:#C0504D">This statute, which exempts state from operation of general statutes of limitation, does not relieve state from effect of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://1.next.westlaw.com/Link/Document/FullText?findType=L&pubNum=1000259&cite=WAST11.40.010&originatingDoc=NDE4F4CB09D7E11DA82A9861CF4CA18AB&refType=LQ&originationContext=notesOfDecisions&contextData=%28sc.DocLink%29&transitionType=NotesOfDecisionItem" title="§ 11.40.010"><span style="color:#C0504D">§ 11.40.010</span></a>,
which bars claims against estate when creditor fails to present them within four months. <a href="https://1.next.westlaw.com/Link/Document/FullText?findType=Y&serNum=1972122618&pubNum=0000661&originatingDoc=NDE4F4CB09D7E11DA82A9861CF4CA18AB&refType=RP&originationContext=notesOfDecisions&contextData=%28sc.DocLink%29&transitionType=NotesOfDecisionItem" title="In re Guardianship of Mayou (1972) 6 Wash.App. 345, 492 P.2d 1047"><span style="color:#C0504D">In
re Guardianship of Mayou (1972) 6 Wash.App. 345, 492 P.2d 1047</span></a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="notetext" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:#C0504D">Statute of nonclaim (see, now,<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://1.next.westlaw.com/Link/Document/FullText?findType=L&pubNum=1000259&cite=WAST11.40.010&originatingDoc=NDE4F4CB09D7E11DA82A9861CF4CA18AB&refType=LQ&originationContext=notesOfDecisions&contextData=%28sc.DocLink%29&transitionType=NotesOfDecisionItem" title="§ 11.40.010"><span style="color:#C0504D">§ 11.40.010</span></a>)
applies to all claims including claims by state; </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#C0504D"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:#C0504D">and claim by state against estate
of insane decedent for sum due for support and maintenance is barred when not timely filed. <a href="https://1.next.westlaw.com/Link/Document/FullText?findType=Y&serNum=1938105129&pubNum=0000661&originatingDoc=NDE4F4CB09D7E11DA82A9861CF4CA18AB&refType=RP&originationContext=notesOfDecisions&contextData=%28sc.DocLink%29&transitionType=NotesOfDecisionItem" title="In re Rhodes (1938) 196 Wash. 618, 83 P.2d 896"><span style="color:#C0504D">In
re Rhodes (1938) 196 Wash. 618, 83 P.2d 896</span></a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="notetext" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:#C0504D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:#C0504D">Statute of nonclaim applies to claim held by state, notwithstanding provision of this statute that there shall be no limitation to actions brought in name or for benefit of
state. <a href="https://1.next.westlaw.com/Link/Document/FullText?findType=Y&serNum=1927104950&pubNum=0000660&originatingDoc=NDE4F4CB09D7E11DA82A9861CF4CA18AB&refType=RP&originationContext=notesOfDecisions&contextData=%28sc.DocLink%29&transitionType=NotesOfDecisionItem" title="State v. Evans (1927) 143 Wash. 449, 255 P. 1035"><span style="color:#C0504D">State
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Eric Nelsen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 24, 2017 8:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] creditor SOL<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Paul--There was discussion about this specifically regarding Medicaid a while back on the listserv. I think I might've even started the conversation. If I remember
correctly, a couple of our regular commoners said that they had had no trouble asserting the two-year bar against DSHS for a claim on Medicaid recovery. I think the logic was that even though it was federal money going to the State that was used to pay Medicaid
(and the Feds can ignore our S/L), the State process for obtaining reimbursement is subject to the state statutes and therefore is subject to the two-year bar.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">However, I would suggest that you look at the applicable WACs and also I think there is a DSHS manual regarding Medicaid recovery process that is available online.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Eric<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Eric C. Nelsen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Grant<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 23, 2017 4:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Probate & Trust Listserv<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] creditor SOL<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is the state under the same 2 year rule for creditors if an estate never went to probate but had a piece of property? Decedent was on medicaid and I'm concerned with the SOL for any state recapture ability.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, <br clear="all">
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Paul H. Grant - JD, LL.M<br>
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Planning with Purpose, Inc<br>
Lynnwood, WA 98036<br>
425-939-9948<br>
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