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Effective 1/1/2017, and applicable to pre-2017 POAs, the new POA
act:<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.125.090">http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.125.090</a><br>
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<div style="text-indent:0.25in;margin-left:0in;">(3) If a power of
attorney becomes effective upon the principal's incapacity and the
principal has not authorized a person to determine whether the
principal is incapacitated, or <u>the person authorized is unable
or unwilling to make the determination</u>, the power of
attorney becomes effective upon a determination in a writing by:</div>
<div style="text-indent:0.25in;margin-left:0in;">(a) A physician or
<u>licensed psychologist</u>, unrelated to the principal or agent
by blood or marriage, who has personally examined the principal,
that the principal is incapacitated within the meaning of RCW <a
href="http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.125.020"
class="ui-link">11.125.020</a>(5)(a); or</div>
<div style="text-indent:0.25in;margin-left:0in;">(b) A judge or an
appropriate governmental official that the principal is
incapacitated within the meaning of RCW <a
href="http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.125.020"
class="ui-link">11.125.020</a>(5)(b).<br>
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Doug Schafer, in Tacoma.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/19/2016 3:47 PM, Heather deVrieze
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I find that
doctors do not like to opine on a patient’s incapacity, or
make what they see as legal determinations.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Attached is the
form I often present to doctors, or have clients present, a
little easier language for the doctors somehow. Yes, it uses
the same words, but somehow works a bit better. That said, I
have had issues with Group Health in general when trying to
put the POA into effect on the basis of a doctor’s
certification.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Heather<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lisa Schuchman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 19, 2016 3:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com"><wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] POA effectiveness<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif">Hello,
listmates,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif">A
client has a financial POA effective on disability. Her AIF
(brother) has reason to believe that he needs to take over
her finances. Her doctor at Group Health recently completed
a battery of tests that resulted in a finding of “average to
severe cognitive impairment.” The doctor used this to have
her driver’s license suspended. Now the doctor says he
can’t sign the certification that’s attached to her POA:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif">“I
hereby certify that Client is disabled or incompetent within
the meaning of Section 2 of the Durable Power of Attorney to
which this Certification is attached.” Section 2 says:
“inability to manage property and personal affairs…”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif">Apparently
the doctor has to send it to another department at Group
Health, but they say they need her consent to do this.
Really.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif">Has
anyone faced this problem and found a solution? Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black">Lisa
E. Schuchman<br>
206-960-4212<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.lisaschuchman.com/" target="_blank">www.lisaschuchman.com</a></span><br>
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