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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Setareh Mahmoodi<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 27, 2016 4:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Different scenarios for POA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">HI John, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I am also a great believer in keeping things simple and this is why I am uneasy with drafting something so confusing. I have explained and discouraged, however, the husband really wants to include such language,
so I am reaching out to see if there are other attorneys that have dealt with this or just reassurance that this is a bad idea.
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Part of their thinking is each spouse wants the other as first choice but then 2 alternates from their own respective families, however, there are circumstances in which they would agree to have for example the wife's father to act etc. So they want the POA
to recreate scenarios that would allow them to do that. However, in my opinion it is confusing and can create issues later because essentially they are creating multiple POAs in a document and in each scenario the attorney in fact would be different.
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<p class="MsoNormal">For example, if both are incapacitated, they may agree to have the wife's father as an alternate for both of them. However, if say wife dies, then the husband would want his own father as attorney in fact and so forth... Basically it matters
to them because they might be willing to have the same alternates in some scenarios, but want their own family members as alternate in other scenarios if the other spouse is out of the picture. So yes essentially they would want the wife's father to resign
if the wife died while he was acting as attorney in fact for both and then allow the husband's father to be the attorney in fact for the husband.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Thanks for your input! <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 3:56 PM, John Creahan <<a href="mailto:john@cairn-law.com" target="_blank">john@cairn-law.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I am a great believer in keeping things as simple as possible – or, put another way, make something only as complex as it needs to be and no more. So I would be inclined to discourage
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">What is their thinking? Why does it matter to them if the other spouse is alive or incapacitated?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">From a practical standpoint, if they are both incapacitated (so X is serving) and Wife dies, does X have to resign in favor of Y?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 27, 2016 3:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Different scenarios for POA</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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I have an interesting request by a client and just wanted to get some other intelligent opinions and/or if anyone else has ever handled a similar situation.
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Client and wife are on the younger side. They want to have different alternates for their medical and general POA (from their own family rather than in-laws), which is fine, however, they propose that language be written in to create different scenarios in
each POA to allow for different alternates under each scenario, this is what they have proposed:<o:p></o:p></p>
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1. Both alive but incapacitated - POA to person X, then Y, then Z<o:p></o:p></p>
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2. Husband dead, wife incapacitated - POA to person X, then A, then B<o:p></o:p></p>
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3. Wife dead, husband incapacitated - POA to person Y, then C, then D<o:p></o:p></p>
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4. One alive, the other incapacitated- The other spouse <o:p></o:p></p>
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Anyone dealt with something like this before? <o:p></o:p></p>
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