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<DIV><FONT size=4>whether the DPA allows disclaimers or not, DSHS will consider
the disclaimer a gift and create a period of ineligibility. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>If Mom’s will had a trust that could be “reformed” to a third
party SNT through the probate court with notice of hearing to DSHS (there is a
case the name of which I can’t recall that says this procedure will work) that
might save it... otherwise the 50% would need to be used for private
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<DIV>I have a vague recollection that if sister is on Medicaid, then DSHS
prohibits a disclaimer. </DIV>
<DIV>I see a 2007 note that says DSHS considers qualified disclaimers to
be transfers subject to penalty and cites <A
href="http://www1.dhsh.wa.gov/esa/eazmanual">http://www1.dhsh.wa.gov/esa/eazmanual</A>.</DIV>
<DIV>Don't know if that will work.</DIV>
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<DIV>I assume the sister has outlived whatever survivorship clause is in
the mother's will. So her interest has vested.</DIV>
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<DIV>Does the POA from sister to brother specifically authorize
disclaimers?? As I recall it has to be specifically authorized under
the old POA statute and the new POA statute is not effective yet.</DIV>
<DIV>If it does, you can certainly argue that sister foresaw the conflict
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" dir=ltr><I><B>From:</B></I> <A
href="mailto:pneumiller@hotmail.com">Paul Neumiller</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" dir=ltr><I><B>Date:</B></I> 8/25/2016
11:17:04 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" dir=ltr><I><B>To:</B></I> <A
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" dir=ltr><I><B>Subject:</B></I> Re: [WSBAPT]
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: #1f497d'>Yeah,
I’m been thinking about that but I’m not sure it passes the “smell
test.” Sister is mentally disabled but Son, her brother, has her
POA. Mom’s Will says Son gets everything if Sister predeceases Mom
and Sister’s Will gives everything to Son. So, on one hand, Son is
signing, as a fiduciary, a disclaimer which benefits him and creates a
conflict of interest. On the other hand, who cares because he gets
everything anyway and there is no one around to complain/object because
Sister never married and has no children. Under Sister’s POA, Son
has already started to pay her debts and bills. Son plans on paying
for all of Sister’s medical debts so I don’t think we will have any
abandoned creditors.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: #1f497d'>I
wasn’t able to find any cases discussing IRS disclaimers and a POA’s
conflict of interest. In the past, I got a self-serving disclaimer
by a guardian approved by the court but that was in the context of an
existing probate and a separate guardianship. I could open this
probate and petition the court for approval of the disclaimer but that
would entail getting a guardian ad litum for Sister, and that’s an expense
we are trying to avoid. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif; COLOR: #1f497d'>Any
thoughts out there regarding Son’s exposure for signing the
self-interested disclaimer when he is to receive everything anyway and
there isn’t anyone out there to complain or
object???<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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there is interest in this topic because I have received multiple emails
off-list from attorneys in similar situations asking for the results of my
research.) <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Can sister disclaim her interest in mom's
estate?<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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Son. Mom dies. Sister, who gets 50% of Mom’s estate (Son get
the other 50%), is dying (in hospice care) and incapacitated. No one
knows when she will pass and family thought Sister would have died before
Mom died. Sister is insolvent (and has no heirs) except for
inheritance and her Will gives everything to Son, her brother. Son
wants to open Mom’s probate in order to sell Mom’s house quickly.
But, if we open probate, then need to appoint a guardian-ad litem for
incapacitated Sister. Any creative solutions out there? To
complicate the issue, there may be Medicaid collections issues out there
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