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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=russell@alsnorthwest.com
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 29, 2016 3:50 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [WSBAPT] FW: Another Out of Country PR issue - Answers
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Thanks
to everyone who answered my question. Here are the responses that I received in
order of receipt:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Do the Oath in the form of a
Declaration.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>_________________________________________<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">I don’t think you can get away
with a witness for an oath. The oath isn’t equivalent to “a declaration in
lieu of affidavit” situation. RCW 11.28.170 requires the PR to take and
subscribe an oath, before some person authorized to administer oaths. The
notary is a public official that is authorized to administer oaths and is
usually the most convenient.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">In Washington, RCW 5.28.010
gives a list of those who may administer oaths:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">Every court, judge, clerk of a
court, state-certified court reporter, or notary public, is authorized to take
testimony in any action, suit or proceeding, and such other persons in
particular cases as authorized by law.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">For foreign PRs, usually a
consulate is the best bet. Maybe there are others officials near her that
can administer an oath in lieu of a notary?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>______________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>In my situation, we presented the court with a scanned color
copy of the notarized Oath (the original was still in the mail from
England). Although the fact that it was a foreign notary seal was
perfectly acceptable, the fact that it was a copy was not – it had to be the
original. That being said, I cannot imagine the court would accept an oath
in declaration format, or one not notarized.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond","serif"'>I’m not sure
that works. <SPAN style="BACKGROUND: yellow; mso-highlight: yellow">(Note:
Referring to using a declaration)</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond","serif"'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond","serif"'>RCW
11.28.170<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond","serif"'>Oath of
personal representative.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond","serif"'>Before letters
testamentary or of administration are issued, each personal representative or an
officer of a bank or trust company qualified to act as a personal
representative, must take and subscribe an oath, before some person authorized
to administer oaths, that the duties of the trust as personal representative
will be performed according to law, which oath must be filed in the
cause.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Garamond","serif"'>_______________________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: #595959">Take a look at RCW 9A.72.085 which would appear to allow
a declaration, although there are exceptions which could potentially
apply<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Interesting. I have
regularly filed PR oath’s signed in declaration form and had no problem with the
judge signing the Order appointing PR, but I believe you are correct after
reading those statutes. Maybe this is another statutory change that should
be made to make probates more user friendly. If my litigation witness can
sign a declaration, for example, in support of a motion for summary judgment,
and lets assume the litigation involves a million dollar claim, then why can’t
my prospective PR, who is appointed to act as such by the testator , sign
a binding promise under penalty of perjury etc. to follow the law as a PR
without appearing before a Notary? After all we don’t make a prospective
PR promise to support and defend the constitution of the US and of the State of
Washington anymore.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Note to Probate Secretary, Oaths
need to be signed in front of a Notary.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>____________________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">The language “This section does
not apply to writings requiring an acknowledgment, depositions, oaths of office,
or oaths required to be taken before a special official other than a notary
public” also appears in 5.50.030. So because the oath can be taken
by a notary public under 11.28.170 (some person authorized to administer
oaths) then maybe a declaration will work?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>______________________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>We have used Declarations of PRs for
people who are in remote locations. You need to revise your order to state
that Letters Testamentary will be issued upon the filing of a Declaration.
We have had no trouble with this in King County. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>_____________________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>I
appreciate the creativity and the advisable step of getting the endorsement of
the court to use a declaration in the order of appointment to accommodate a
remotely located client. But can a court order waive a statutorily
prescribed condition precedent to the issuance of letters? There’s not any
permissive language in RCW 11.28.170 allowing for the court’s discretion to
waive the requirement, like in setting the amount of the bond or substitute
security. I think this is analogous to someone with a felony conviction
(not vacated) being disqualified, there isn’t a work
around.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>As
inconvenient as it might be, I think the statue is pretty clear. The
statute doesn’t just say that the person appointed shall take and subscribe an
oath that the duties will be performed according to law. If that is all
that it said, then a substitute declaration might be allowed – and assuming the
exclusions in RCW 9A.72.085(4) don’t apply.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>But
I think that this approach ignores the part of RCW 11.28.170 that says the oath
“must” be taken and subscribed “before some person authorized to administer
oaths.” A declaration under penalty of perjury is not made before another
person, it is signed by the declarer alone. So, I think that you still run
afoul of the plain language of the statute that requires there to be another
person involved, and that other person must have a specific type of authority,
i.e. to administer oaths.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>I
appreciate the creativity and the advisable step of getting the endorsement of
the court to use a declaration in the order of appointment to accommodate a
remotely located client. But can a court order waive a statutorily
prescribed condition precedent to the issuance of letters? There’s not any
permissive language in RCW 11.28.170 allowing for the court’s discretion to
waive the requirement, like in setting the amount of the bond or substitute
security. I think this is analogous to someone with a felony conviction
(not vacated) being disqualified, there isn’t a work
around.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>As
inconvenient as it might be, I think the statue is pretty clear. The
statute doesn’t just say that the person appointed shall take and subscribe an
oath that the duties will be performed according to law. If that is all
that it said, then a substitute declaration might be allowed – and assuming the
exclusions in RCW 9A.72.085(4) don’t apply.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>But
I think that this approach ignores the part of RCW 11.28.170 that says the oath
“must” be taken and subscribed “before some person authorized to administer
oaths.” A declaration under penalty of perjury is not made before another
person, it is signed by the declarer alone. So, I think that you still run
afoul of the plain language of the statute that requires there to be another
person involved, and that other person must have a specific type of authority,
i.e. to administer oaths.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Marcia Mellinger<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 23, 2016
4:06 PM<BR><B>To:</B> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<A
href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</A>><BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [WSBAPT] Another Out of Country PR issue<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>We have used Declarations of PRs for
people who are in remote locations. You need to revise your order to state
that Letters Testamentary will be issued upon the filing of a Declaration.
We have had no trouble with this in King County. Best,
Marcia<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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-0700<BR>CC: </SPAN><A href="mailto:secretary.jgrant@accima.com"><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Interesting. I
have regularly filed PR oath’s signed in declaration form and had no problem
with the judge signing the Order appointing PR, but I believe you are correct
after reading those statutes. Maybe this is another statutory change that
should be made to make probates more user friendly. If my litigation
witness can sign a declaration, for example, in support of a motion for summary
judgment, and lets assume the litigation involves a million dollar claim, then
why can’t my prospective PR, who is appointed to act as such by the
testator , sign a binding promise under penalty of perjury etc. to follow the
law as a PR without appearing before a Notary? After all we don’t make a
prospective PR promise to support and defend the constitution of the US and of
the State of Washington anymore.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Note to Probate
Secretary, Oaths need to be signed in front of a
Notary.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Joshua F. Grant,
PS<BR>Attorney at Law<BR>P. O. Box 619<BR>Wilbur, WA 99185<BR>tel 509 647
5578<BR>fax 509 647 2734<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'> Re:
[WSBAPT] Another Out of Country PR issue<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>I don’t think you
can get away with a witness for an oath. The oath isn’t equivalent to “a
declaration in lieu of affidavit” situation. RCW 11.28.170 requires the PR
to take and subscribe an oath, before some person authorized to administer
oaths. The notary is a public official that is authorized to administer
oaths and is usually the most convenient.</SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>In Washington, RCW
5.28.010 gives a list of those who may administer oaths:</SPAN><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Every court, judge,
clerk of a court, state-certified court reporter, or notary public, is
authorized to take testimony in any action, suit or proceeding, and such other
persons in particular cases as authorized by law.</SPAN><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>For foreign PRs,
usually a consulate is the best bet. Maybe there are others officials near
her that can administer an oath in lieu of a notary?</SPAN><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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Roberts</SPAN><SPAN
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a probate on behalf of a potential PR who lives in a rural part of Mexico. We
normally have the PR sign and have notarized the Oath of Personal
Representative, but she is having difficulty finding a notary in her locale.
Would the Oath be sufficient for RCW 11.28.1701 purposes if it is signed and
witnessed (not notarized)? Any bright ideas how to address this issue? Any
guidance would be greatly appreciated!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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