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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>We have used Declarations of PRs for people who are in remote locations. You need to revise your order to state that Letters Testamentary will be issued upon the filing of a Declaration. We have had no trouble with this in King County. Best, Marcia<br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: jgrant@accima.com<br>To: wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com<br>Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 15:05:27 -0700<br>CC: secretary.jgrant@accima.com<br>Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Another Out of Country PR issue<br><br>
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<div>Interesting. I have regularly filed PR oath’s signed in declaration
form and had no problem with the judge signing the Order appointing PR, but I
believe you are correct after reading those statutes. Maybe this is
another statutory change that should be made to make probates more user
friendly. If my litigation witness can sign a declaration, for example, in
support of a motion for summary judgment, and lets assume the litigation
involves a million dollar claim, then why can’t my prospective PR, who is
appointed to act as such by the testator , sign a binding promise under penalty
of perjury etc. to follow the law as a PR without appearing before a
Notary? After all we don’t make a prospective PR promise to support and
defend the constitution of the US and of the State of Washington anymore.</div>
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<div>Note to Probate Secretary, Oaths need to be signed in front of a
Notary.</div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri';COLOR:#000000;">Joshua F.
Grant, PS<br>Attorney at Law<br>P. O. Box 619<br>Wilbur, WA 99185<br>tel 509 647
5578<br>fax 509 647 2734<br></div>
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<div style=""><b>From:</b> <a title="pugetsoundlaw@gmail.com" href="mailto:pugetsoundlaw@gmail.com">pugetsoundlaw@gmail.com</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 23, 2016 2:31 PM</div>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Another Out of Country PR
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d;">I don’t think you can get away
with a witness for an oath. The oath isn’t equivalent to “a declaration in
lieu of affidavit” situation. RCW 11.28.170 requires the PR to take and
subscribe an oath, before some person authorized to administer oaths. The
notary is a public official that is authorized to administer oaths and is
usually the most convenient.</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d;">In Washington, RCW 5.28.010
gives a list of those who may administer oaths:</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d;">Every court, judge, clerk of a
court, state-certified court reporter, or notary public, is authorized to take
testimony in any action, suit or proceeding, and such other persons in
particular cases as authorized by law.</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d;">For foreign PRs, usually a
consulate is the best bet. Maybe there are others officials near her that
can administer an oath in lieu of a notary?</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d;">Tara M.
Roberts</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d;">Puget Sound Law
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Mikow<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 23, 2016 2:03 PM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal">I am preparing to file a probate on behalf of a potential PR
who lives in a rural part of Mexico. We normally have the PR sign and have
notarized the Oath of Personal Representative, but she is having difficulty
finding a notary in her locale. Would the Oath be sufficient for RCW 11.28.1701
purposes if it is signed and witnessed (not notarized)? Any bright ideas how to
address this issue? Any guidance would be greatly appreciated!</p>
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