<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Thanks. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">I think we'll end up making it a hybrid agreed order/TEDRA and get a Commissioner to sign it. I'll ask the Clerks and let you know if the response is interesting. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">In this case they should go along since all interested parties are signing off on what is clearly limited to the definition of a TEDRA "matter." But as long as it's agreed it doesn't add a lot of time, expense or uncertainty to walk it through Ex Parte. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">John Sullivan<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Dec 18, 2015, at 9:25 AM, Eric Nelsen <<a href="mailto:Eric@sayrelawoffices.com">Eric@sayrelawoffices.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">The statute says it's effective as an Order, but it's not signed by a judge and doesn't look like an Order. The Clerks do a lot but I am not sure just how far the scope of the TEDRA "agreement filed is like an order" goes. Could I issue
a warrant for somebody's arrest? Direct a bank to unblock funds (would a bank comply without a judge's signature)? Resolve a boundary dispute with a non-party?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Obviously some of the answers are "heck no" but that just points out that there is a limit to the "effective as an order" language of
<a href="http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.96A&full=true#11.96A.230">
RCW 11.96A.230</a>.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">For your specific situation, I think the answer will just depend on whether the clerks have decided what to do in that case. I haven't seen any case law interpreting the full scope of .230. The clerk might insist on a judge signature,
they might not. Probably easiest to call the clerk's office to see if it's ever been done.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Eric<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Eric C. Nelsen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>] On Behalf Of John J. Sullivan<br>
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 5:24 PM<br>
To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br>
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Clerk's Action Filed TEDRA Agreement</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">My thought is if it's an Order the Clerk will follow it. <o:p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">John Sullivan<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> On Dec 17, 2015, at 1:01 PM, Eric Nelsen <<a href="mailto:Eric@sayrelawoffices.com"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Eric@sayrelawoffices.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Never tried that! And I have no answer for you but I think it's a very interesting question.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Are the parties effectively the "judge" in that circumstance, who appoints "any suitable person" as PR? And say the parties agree to appoint someone who is statutorily disqualified--what effect? Is the order void, voidable? Do the
parties get to decide on bond as well?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Eric<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Eric C. Nelsen<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> SAYRE LAW OFFICES, PLLC<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> 1320 University St<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Seattle WA 98101-2837<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> phone 206-625-0092<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> fax 206-625-9040<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> From: <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">
<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</span></a> [<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</span></a>] On
Behalf Of John J. Sullivan<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 10:52 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> To: <a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Subject: [WSBAPT] Clerk's Action Filed TEDRA Agreement<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> Listmates:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> In an intestate probate I'm using a nonjudicial TEDRA Agreement to accomplish several things, including replacing the Administrator.
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> As we know, when you file one in a probate it has the force and effect of a court order. My question: in that case will the Clerk follow it if instructed to issue new Letters to the substitute Administrator in King County even though
the parties sign it rather than the judge?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> Anyone try this?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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