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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Doran<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 18, 2015 1:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Trusts to Protect assets from Medicaid liens<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Those are substantive comments Amy. Thank you.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Please attach the Q & A form. That would be helpful for me to get abetter understanding of this topic.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Lewis, Amy C. <<a href="mailto:ALewis@eisenhowerlaw.com" target="_blank">ALewis@eisenhowerlaw.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> I would add a couple of clarifications to your points below. The $2,000 asset limit
for Medicaid qualification is applicable only to a single individual or to each member of a couple if they are both applying for Medicaid. If only one spouse is applying for Medicaid, the spouse not applying can have a minimum of $54,726 in “non-exempt assets.”
This amount can be increased in some circumstances, with a maximum of $119,200. I have attached “Questions and Answers on Medicaid for Nursing Home Residents,” which has more information on this.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> It’s not necessarily the case that Medicaid funded care is in a less attractive facility,
but it may depend on timing. Many of the higher end facilities will accept Medicaid payment, but not if you enter the facility as a Medicaid recipient on day 1. Many of the better facilities require that you be able to self-pay for 1-2 years at the higher
private pay rate before switching to Medicaid.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> I agree with the comments of others that you should consider partnering with someone
who regularly practices in the Medicaid context.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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phone <a href="tel:253.572.4500" target="_blank">253.572.4500</a> | fax <a href="tel:253.272.5732" target="_blank">
253.272.5732</a> | </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="http://www.eisenhowerlaw.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#C00000;text-decoration:none">www.eisenhowerlaw.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Doran<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 18, 2015 1:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Real Property Section<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Trusts to Protect assets from Medicaid liens</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">I appreciate the responses to the email questions I had about setting up a Trust to protect a clients' assets from the medicaid lien possibility. Here
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">First, the use of an irrevocable trust would be necessary. That means the clients, trustors, would have to essentially divest their personal interest in
the assets. They could not "change their minds" or demand funds from the Trust or that an asset be sold and the income given to them.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Second, if I recall right, a person can only have $2,000 in their bank account in order to qualify for Medicaid. That would mean setting it all up pretty
close to the bone. And, let's say that a trust allowed for the Trustee to make small and incremental expenditures for the benefit of the trustors. The trustors would want to keep a bank balance under $2,000 which would mean pestering the Trustee for assistance.
the assistance would be at the discretion of the Trustee. This could become quite a burden for the Trustee. Additionally, who would be the Trustee is an important question. Whoever it is will essentially have control of all of the assets put in the Trust.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Third, do the clients really expect to use Medicaid? The State approved long term care providers are at the low end of the quality spectrum. The statistics
show that most people do not need long term care and that those who do usually need it for about 90 days. These are statistics so they are not solid.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Fourth, (I am not clear on this) the home is not subjected to the Medicaid lien while there is a spouse living in the home. Therefore this Medicaid lien
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Fifth, the clients may very well want to sell a property or liquidate an investment for their own enjoyment of life and they cannot do that with the assets
in the irrevocable trust. Again, to expect a Trustee to sell an asset and dole out some funds or good tot eh trustors on a monthly basis is not realistic.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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and financial investments, especially of they have investment income every month that they are living on. It may be appropriate if a client has very little assets, such as their own home, and only social security and a small pension to live on month to month
that will keep them below the $2,000 per person minimum to qualify for Medicaid.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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