<div dir="ltr"><div>Now I am confused again. I will stick with the 2 witnesses and with the two witnesses affidavit being notarized. <br><br></div>Does a Declaration for the two witnesses work or not?<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>James R. Doran<br></div>Attorney at Law<br></div>100 E. Pine Street - Suite 205<br></div>Bellingham, WA 98225<br>(360)393-9506<br></div><a href="mailto:jim@doranlegal.com" target="_blank">jim@doranlegal.com</a><br></div><a href="http://www.doranlegal.com" target="_blank">www.doranlegal.com</a><br></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Dalynne Singleton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dalynne@singletonlawgroup.net" target="_blank">dalynne@singletonlawgroup.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Be aware that in Kitsap County, the Judges require the notary to the 2 witness signatures. I had the Commissioner reject my Petition for Probate of Will and had to find the 2 witnesses. If you don’t do it at
the time of signing the will and having 2 witnesses signatures, then you will have to get post-death which is sometimes very difficult to find the witnesses. I find it much easier to do at the time of signing the Will with the witnesses in my office. Since
my office is just me and my paralegal, I usually have the person signing the Will bring a friend who is not named in the Will to witness OR I ask other staff in the building to assist.
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<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">RCW 11.12.020<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Requisites of wills — Foreign wills.<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">(1) Every will shall be in writing signed by the testator or by some other person under the testator's direction
in the testator's presence, and shall be attested by two or more competent witnesses, by subscribing their names to the will, or by signing an affidavit that complies with RCW
<a href="http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.20.020" target="_blank"><span style="color:#2b674d">11.20.020</span></a>(2), while in the presence of the testator and at the testator's direction or request: PROVIDED, That a last will and testament, executed in the
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an affidavit before any person authorized to administer oaths, stating such facts as they would be required to testify to in court to prove such will, which affidavit may be written on the will or may be attached to the will or to a photographic copy of the
will. The sworn statement of any witness so taken shall be accepted by the court as if it had been taken before the court.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>]
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<p class="MsoNormal">I had an interesting situation last week - a will from 1960 that was labeled a copy, indicating the original was in the office of a now deceased attorney. But this was before Xerox machines, so the "copy" had original signatures in blue
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On Oct 18, 2015, at 1:19 PM, Douglas Bratt <<a href="mailto:djbratt@mbavancouverlaw.com" target="_blank">djbratt@mbavancouverlaw.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">I have done both, given the Washington statute that equates a properly crafted Declaration as being legally equivalent to an Affidavit. I always use the Affidavit if I am involved in having the client sign in
the office where there are plenty of potential witnesses. However, upon occasion, with disabled folks, or people in the hospital, to whom I travel, I often choose to use the Declaration, meaning that I only have to involve one neighbor, or a person from down
the hall in the hospital, to have the necessary witnesses, assuming I am to be one of the witnesses.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">I can echo Martin’s concerns, however, if the will gets probated in another state. It is not all that much trouble (at least for multi-attorney offices) to always have a couple of witnesses, along with me serving
as a Notary, that I would think that would be the practical way to do it, with the least probable issues with the PR getting hassled in an out-of-state court, by a judge in whose state the Declaration form is not similarly accepted in lieu of an Affidavit.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">I simply would not habitually do it just one way, in any circumstance. Each case gets analyzed as to what works best for the convenience of the client, given his/her personal circumstances, and me, in getting
the signing accomplished most economically, time-wise.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I haven't done a will in years, but my only concern was if the estate has to be probated in another jurisdiction, do you want to have to go through the rigmarole of proving up
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WA law. So I went back to witness affidavits in most cases. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Just curious if any of you for your wills, for the self-proving affidavit, use a declaration without a notary?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">I have seen that to satisfy RCW 11.20.020 for a self-proving affidavit for a will, instead of the more traditional affidavit with two witness and a notary, just having a declaration with the two witness signatures.
Pursuant to RCW 9A.72.085 the witnesses need to declare under penalty of perjury under the law of the State of Washington true and correct…, but it seems if this is satisfied, no notary is required for the affidavit.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Has anyone used this regularly? Any problems in probate?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Thanks so much, </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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