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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">As to the issue presented by a witness declaration in a will that is probated in another state, doesn’t the full faith and credit clause mean that if it was valid
in the state where it was executed, it is valid in any other state?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 19, 2015 8:35 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Self proving affidavit/declaration - notarized?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Lean and Mean, eh?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">So, I can have one person and myself act as the witnesses and use a declaration form instead of the notarize affidavit? Good. Sometimes it is not easy to get the second witness on site.
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 1:55 PM, John J. Sullivan <<a href="mailto:sullaw@comcast.net" target="_blank">sullaw@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I generally use declarations these days since our office is lean and mean. I haven't had a problem proving WA law in ancillary situations. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I had an interesting situation last week - a will from 1960 that was labeled a copy, indicating the original was in the office of a now deceased attorney. But this was before Xerox machines, so the "copy" had original signatures in blue
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On Oct 18, 2015, at 1:19 PM, Douglas Bratt <<a href="mailto:djbratt@mbavancouverlaw.com" target="_blank">djbratt@mbavancouverlaw.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">I have done both, given the Washington statute that equates a properly crafted Declaration as being legally equivalent to an Affidavit. I always use
the Affidavit if I am involved in having the client sign in the office where there are plenty of potential witnesses. However, upon occasion, with disabled folks, or people in the hospital, to whom I travel, I often choose to use the Declaration, meaning
that I only have to involve one neighbor, or a person from down the hall in the hospital, to have the necessary witnesses, assuming I am to be one of the witnesses.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">I can echo Martin’s concerns, however, if the will gets probated in another state. It is not all that much trouble (at least for multi-attorney offices)
to always have a couple of witnesses, along with me serving as a Notary, that I would think that would be the practical way to do it, with the least probable issues with the PR getting hassled in an out-of-state court, by a judge in whose state the Declaration
form is not similarly accepted in lieu of an Affidavit.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">I simply would not habitually do it just one way, in any circumstance. Each case gets analyzed as to what works best for the convenience of the client,
given his/her personal circumstances, and me, in getting the signing accomplished most economically, time-wise.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Martin Silver<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 16, 2015 10:49 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Self proving affidavit/declaration - notarized?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">I haven't done a will in years, but my only concern was if the estate has to be probated in another jurisdiction, do you want to have to go through the
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WA law. So I went back to witness affidavits in most cases. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">
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<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> Friday, October 16, 2015 10:15 AM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> [WSBAPT] Self proving affidavit/declaration - notarized?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">Just curious if any of you for your wills, for the self-proving affidavit, use a declaration without a notary?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">I have seen that to satisfy RCW 11.20.020 for a self-proving affidavit for a will, instead of the more traditional affidavit with two witness and a notary,
just having a declaration with the two witness signatures. Pursuant to RCW 9A.72.085 the witnesses need to declare under penalty of perjury under the law of the State of Washington true and correct…, but it seems if this is satisfied, no notary is required
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">Has anyone used this regularly? Any problems in probate?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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