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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">For IRS debts, it’s also in the IRM.
<i>See</i>, <i>e.g.</i> Exhibit 25.18.1-1 “Comparison of State Law Differences in Community Property States”.<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.irs.gov/irm/part25/irm_25-018-001.html#d0e735"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">http://www.irs.gov/irm/part25/irm_25-018-001.html#d0e735</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">1. When do spouses become subject to state community property laws?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">When the spouses are married and domicile in the state.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">2. Does the state recognize common law marriage?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">No, but it recognizes a common law marriage legally established elsewhere.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">3. Does the state recognize some from of domestic partnership as an alternative to marriage?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Yes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">4. Does a domestic partnership under state law create community property rights and obligations?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Yes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">5. When does the community property regime terminate (causing subsequently acquired assets or future income to no longer be characterized as community
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Change of domicile, death or a separation that is intended to be permanent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">6. How is post marital income generated from separate property (e.g., rents, dividends, interest) characterized?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Separate property unless derived from a spouse's labor or community property funds. If so, an allocation must be made.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">7. How does the state characterize appreciation in the value of separate property?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Separate property unless derived from a spouse's labor or community property funds. If so, allocation or reimbursement issues must be dealt with.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">8. How does the state characterize property taken by spouses under a deed reflecting that the property is held in joint tenancy?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Community property unless there is a written agreement between the spouses which clearly evidences the spouses' intent to hold the property in joint
tenancy rather than as CP. Holding title in joint tenancy is not sufficient by itself to overcome CP presumption.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">9. How does the state characterize property taken by spouses under a deed reflecting that the property is held in tenancy in common?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Community property unless there is clear and convincing evidence establishing the spouses' intent to hold the property in tenancy in common. Title
in tenancy in common is not sufficient by itself to overcome CP presumption. <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">10. Does a deed taken in the name of one spouse as sole and separate property create separate property?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">No. Title does not determine the character of the property. It is rebuttably presumed to be community property.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">11. Does the state recognize pre or post marital property characterization agreements?<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Yes.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">12. What are the property characterization agreements called?<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Separate property agreements.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">13. Are property characterizations agreements required to be in writing?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">An oral agreement will be recognized, but the claim of one will be strictly scrutinized.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">14. Are property characterization agreements valid against creditors?<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Not against existing creditors.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">15. What property is available to satisfy a premarital federal tax obligation assessed against only one spouse?<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">50% of community property and all separate property of liable spouse.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">16. What property is available to satisfy a post marital federal tax obligation assessed against only one spouse?<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:5.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:4.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">100% of community property and all separate property of liable spouse.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Doug Schafer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 02, 2015 2:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] ante-nuptial agreement : effective against creditors?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Attached is a 1987 opinion in which the federal judge ruled that the IRS could not levy a taxpayer's wife's separate income because she and her husband had earlier orally agreed that her income would be her
separate property. Venie v. U.S. (1987 WL 61936 (E.D.Wash.))<br>
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Doug Schafer, in Tacoma.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 9/2/2015 2:00 PM, Josh Grant wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">This is an estate planning type question.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">W is a client whose husband’s business corporation appears to be raking up a lot of business debt. This is a second marriage and they have tried to keep their finances separate, in fact the
income from the business has been used for community benefit (food, electricity, vacations etc.). W has a separate asset she wants to protect (farm land given by dad). H&W never did a pre-nuptial agreement. Been married 10 years+.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">H&W thought a ante-nuptial agreement might help protect W’s separate asset. H had it drawn up and W was referred to me as her independent attorney. This is a standard type of agreement
where on schedule “A” the business corp is listed as H’s, and W’s is listed as her separate asset.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">My thought is that basically, as long as they are married, or as long as they do not have a separation decree, that whatever they sign between them won’t help against creditors. (just like
the client who has to pay a community debt even after that debt was listed as the responsibility of the former spouse in a dissolution decree). If I were a creditor’s attorney I would ask the court to pierce the corporate veil and determine that the corp
is a community asset and the debt is a community debt and go after all community property, again without regard to this agreement.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I think if ever sued, judgment would be entered against H&W and their marital community, and the separate farmland wouldn’t be affected anyway. If a creditor tried to get a judgment against
W’s separate property, then she could hire an attorney and get the court to enter a judgment only against the community and community property, with or without an agreement.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Anyone think a ante-nuptial agreement would be a substantial protection for W against business debts, even if H is a sole shareholder?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Josh Grant<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Joshua F. Grant, PS<br>
Attorney at Law<br>
P. O. Box 619<br>
Wilbur, WA 99185<br>
tel 509 647 5578<br>
fax 509 647 2734<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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