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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I think your response, and mine, highlights the limits of exchanges like this on a list serve! If a person is on SSDI, and has been on it for two years, then
the person would also be on Medicare and thus couldn’t get Medicaid through the Obamacare Medicaid expansion. Thus making the IRA again a resource issue! There could be other twists involved too. Please take this all with a grain of salt.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Grant<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 19, 2015 11:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] IRA Inheritance and Medicaid<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Thanks Jacob - Medicaid for elderly is an asset/income test but I understood that all other assistance was only income based. I think the IRA annuity option may assist this individual nonetheless so we may
look into that option as suggested on the list - the one fact that I did not know was if client being on SSDI would have any influence on the correct option - the last line of your link suggests it does not.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I appreciate your response .... even on vacation!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Jacob Menashe <<a href="mailto:jacob@hickmanmenashe.com" target="_blank">jacob@hickmanmenashe.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Paul, I think you had it right initially. If your person is on the expanded Medicaid through Obamacare
the IRA itself, the IRA itself shouldn’t be a bar to eligibility – it’s only the income that will matter.
<a href="http://www.hca.wa.gov/hcr/me/Pages/index.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.hca.wa.gov/hcr/me/Pages/index.aspx</a>.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Grant<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 17, 2015 4:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] IRA Inheritance and Medicaid</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">Thanks Marcus - we established a d4a trust years ago but somehow we could not get the family to do all the proper estate planning so here we are! Thanks for the confirmation that the
IRA is a countable asset even for medical coverage determination. Unfortunately we will need to cash out and pay the tax - argh.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Lynnwood, WA 98036<br>
<a href="tel:425-939-9948" target="_blank">425-939-9948</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Marcus Fry <<a href="mailto:mfry@lyon-law.com" target="_blank">mfry@lyon-law.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a name="14f47073f7b32e3d_14f3d6b88715d64c__GoBac"></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Paul:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">In WA, they count the principal amount of the IRA (ID would treat it is as exempt if in payout) as
a resource so you are out of luck. You may be able to convert the IRA to a Medicaid qualified annuity (<a href="http://www.medicaidannuity.com/you-can-do-that-with-an-ira-3/" target="_blank">http://www.medicaidannuity.com/you-can-do-that-with-an-ira-3/</a>)
Your other option referenced below (cash out) is also available and with the ability to fund a d4A trust with the money because of her age that may be the wisest course of action.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Grant<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 17, 2015 1:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Probate & Trust Listserv<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">I have a client who is currently receiving highly discounted medical assistance since she has minimal income (through Obama Care). She recently inherited an IRA and I have searched the
WAC (for way too long) to try and determine if a stretch-IRA asset will disqualify - I don't think so as it should be income dependent. I fully realize that the RMDs will count as income each year, but those can be controlled. Client is not elderly (in 40's)
so I do not see that a spend down is required; she is deemed disabled w SSDI.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">Am I missing anything in assessing this issue? I am trying to make sure that taking a stretch will not interrupt her medical assistance other than her future RMDs. Other option is to
cash out and take the one-time income hit but it is more beneficial to use the stretch (not a massive IRA).<o:p></o:p></p>
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Planning with Purpose, Inc<br>
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<a href="tel:425-939-9948" target="_blank">425-939-9948</a><br>
<a href="http://www.planningwithpurposeinc.com" target="_blank">www.planningwithpurposeinc.com</a><br>
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