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    I have some doubts: Paul's fee agreement states, "My services ...
    are, by law, limited to representing you as personal representative
    of the estate.  ... [I]f you got into a dispute with other
    beneficiaries over distribution of assets, you might have to hire
    separate counsel for that matter."  Since the PR's duty includes
    distributing estate assets among beneficiaries, why shouldn't the PR
    expect his attorney to represent him regarding any dispute relating
    to that duty?  Granted, a PR's lawyer could withdraw (abandon the
    client) whenever a dispute arises, or if the client is not heeding
    the lawyer's advice.<br>
    <br>
    That brings to mind a long-standing concern I have about
    lawyer-client conflicts.  I often see it said that an individual
    client who has conflicting interests (e.g., beneficiary and
    fiduciary of a trust or estate, shareholder and director/officer of
    a closely held corporation) must retain separate lawyers to advise
    him concerning each interest.  I disagree.   My view is that a
    lawyer serves essentially as a supplemental brain for the individual
    client -- it's as if the individual client hires and then possesses
    the brain (legal knowledge) of a lawyer.  If the individual client
    actually were a knowledgeable lawyer, he'd not be required to
    somehow bisect his brain so as to address each interest separately
    without regard to the other interest, but he would "juggle" those
    interests based upon his legal knowledge.   So in cases in which the
    law tolerates one individual acting with conflicting interests
    (e.g., PR and estate beneficiary), the law should permit him to be
    advised by a single lawyer concerning the juggling of those
    competing interests.<br>
    <br>
    Doug Schafer, in Tacoma.<br>
    P.S. please forgive the use on masculine pronouns, but it got
    cumbersome with repeated him/her's.<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/19/2015 2:10 PM, Eric Nelsen
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">That's
            great language Paul--thanks. Clear and succinct. I may use
            that myself.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p>Eric
            C. Nelsen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
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                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Neumiller<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 19, 2015 10:39 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> 'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv'<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Questions regarding
                wrongful death claims and probate<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Eric,
            thanks for the clarification.  I use the following language
            in all of my fee agreements for probates:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">“You
            are personally responsible for payment of all amounts due,
            for example, if the estate has insufficient funds for their
            payment.  My services on behalf of the estate are, by law,
            limited to representing you as personal representative for
            the estate.  I do not represent you as an individual, or
            your interests as an individual beneficiary.  I do not
            represent the estate itself, or any of the estate's
            beneficiaries.  So, for example, if you had a claim against
            the estate for services rendered to the decedent, or if you
            got into a dispute with other beneficiaries over
            distribution of assets, you might have to hire separate
            counsel for that matter.  My job is to assist you in your
            work as personal representative throughout the probate
            process, with a primary focus on assisting you in carrying
            out your fiduciary duties according to the law.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In
            other words, I gotta get paid. 
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