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As I read the emergency rule, it looks like they are recoverable against the estate.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>J A Cyphers<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 27, 2015 12:03 PM<br><b>To:</b> Probate List Serve<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Apparently insolvent estate<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td width="100%" style='width:100.0%;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt'><div id="INCREDI_TEXT_AREA"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Make sure that your DSHS claim is for recoverable expenses.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>I had an estate last year where the decedent was age 59. He had been on Apple care/Medicaid (the Obamacare expansion of Medicaid) in the year of death <strong>solely </strong>for medical and hospitalization.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>DSHS cannot recover for those medical expenses. See WSR 14-02-076 Emergency rule.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>DSHS filed a creditor claim for $94,000. It was all medical expenses. Client was never in a nursing home.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>When I questioned it because they were all Medicaid-Apple care expenses, DSHS withdrew the claim and the special notice.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>DSHS told me last fall that they were in the process of reprogramming their system to omit those medical items but at that point were still having to reverse them manually.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div id=IncrediOriginalFontSize><div id=INCREDISIGNATUREID><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Jackie Cyphers</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Sans Serif","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Jeannette A. 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