<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Leave it in trust with a reversion to the grantors if they return within the 8 year period? </div><div><br></div><div>John Sullivan<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jul 8, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Jim Doran <<a href="mailto:jim@doranlegal.com">jim@doranlegal.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">This is one for the books.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">Hallelujah!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">James R. Doran<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">Attorney at Law<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">100 E. Pine Street – Suite 205<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">Bellingham, WA 98225<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">(360)393-9506<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:jim@doranlegal.com"><span style="color:#0563C1">jim@doranlegal.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.doranlegal.com">www.doranlegal.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dan J. Cadagan III<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 8, 2015 10:23 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Estate Planning for the Rapture<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">But the REAL question for the client is, who are they going to name in their will to be the PR, or in their DPA to be their A/F? It will need to be someone they think is going to be left behind, who is not a good enough person to go on this Rapture cruise; i.e., some scuzball. Or it could be an attorney, because I’m sure that, in their opinion, there isn’t a snowball’s chance in hell that any of us attorneys are going to heaven on this cruise. Interesting dilemma. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dan J. Cadagan III<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Attorney at Law<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Spokane, WA<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">1-509-744-3440<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:Dan@CadaganLaw.com">Dan@CadaganLaw.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:gray"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Krista MacLaren<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 08, 2015 9:48 AM<br><b>To:</b> wsba probate & trust<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Estate Planning for the Rapture<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">As a practical matter, would the person left behind to deal with the clients’ property be expected to maintain their home in its vacant state for a full 8 years? I guess this would be a situation where there is no proof of death, but it seems like it would be important for the client to realize that this may cause them to come back to a bankrupt estate. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Krista MacLaren<br>Attorney at Law<br>Northgate Executive Center II<br>9725 3rd Ave NE, Suite 600<br>Seattle WA 98115<br>(206) 523-6116<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Please note, as with most email providers, Mac does not encrypt email messages. Accordingly, the confidentiality of messages sent to this address cannot be assured. This e-mail is intended for viewing only by the individual or entity to whom its content is addressed, and it may contain confidential or<br>privileged information. If you received this email in error, please honor the privacy of the intended recipient: reply to the sender regarding the error and delete the message.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Jul 7, 2015, at 4:02 PM, Heather deVrieze <<a href="mailto:heatherd@westseattlelaw.com">heatherd@westseattlelaw.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Had a client today inform me that he believed that the Rapture would soon be upon us (in the next year or three) and that he and his wife would suddenly just be missing, along with many of their beneficiaries and designated fiduciaries. Following the scriptures they would return to earth after its 7 years of trials and tribulations and that he wouldn’t want any presumption of death to distribute all of his assets to the remaining (non-raptured) beneficiaries in that time frame. <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Wanting to respect the client despite any of my own personal views of his position, I was pondering perhaps including a provision in the POA and in the Will that might require an 8 year waiting period, instead of the 5 year presumption under 11.80.080, before distributing the estate. (In the event that I am missing and there is no physical proof of my death, I direct my Personal Representative/Attorney-in-fact to wait a period of at least 8 years from the date that I went missing before administering my estate and distributing it under 11.80.080.)<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Thoughts?<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Heather<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Vladimir Script";color:#1F497D">Heather S. de Vrieze</span><b><span style="font-size:16.0pt;color:#1F497D"><br></span></b><i><span style="font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#1F497D">Attorney-at-Law</span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#1F497D"><image001.jpg></span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E">3909 California Avenue SW</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E">Seattle, WA 98116-3705 </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E">(206)938-5500 </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:heatherd@westseattlelaw.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E">heatherd@westseattlelaw.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.westseattlelaw.com/"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E">www.westseattlelaw.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Nyala;color:#44524E"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#002E8A">Click here to connect with de Vrieze | Carney on Facebook: </span><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></b><a href="https://www.facebook.com/DeVriezeCarney"><b><span style="color:blue;text-decoration:none"><image002.png></span></b></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;color:#A6A6A6"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;color:#A6A6A6">CONFIDENTIAL & PRIVILEGED. 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