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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Ok, so I guess you are saying that no, it is not necessary to have the HCDPA notarized or witnessed? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Under my situation, I am helping a loosely organized mountain bike group. Sometimes minors show up (or dropped off by the parent) and the group is concerned if and when a kid breaks an arm and a non-parent adult has to take the kid to the emergency room. Some adults who either know the kid or know the family of kid have come forward and said that they volunteer to be the responsible adult to take the kid to the emergency room, if needed. Hence, the use of the HCDPA. (Visualize a kid running home, slamming the door and yelling “Mooooom, they say that I can’t ride with the group anymore until you sign this.”) In other words, I am NOT going to be there to gather witnesses, notarize, or impress the sealing wax with the royal ring. If I require that the HCDPA be notarized or witnessed, or both, I imagine that it will not get done because it is too burdensome of a procedure. So, I asked the listserv if was legally necessary to have the HCDPA for Minors be notarized or witnessed. While it would be best to use as many formalities as possible, just getting the parent’s signature would be better than nothing. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:white'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sam Furgason<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 2, 2015 8:30 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] HCDPAs for Minors Signing Requirements<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The purpose of the power of attorney is to convince non-lawyers to recognize the requests of a person’s authority to act on behalf of the principal. In that respect, I believe that “</span>adding weightiness and looking important” can come in quite handy. That’s why I always added that notary stamp to a lot of documents which did not legally require one, such as Health Care Directives and Health Care Powers of Attorney. It’s there to give doctors, nurses, nurse practitioners, and administrators a level of comfort in dealing with legal matters they are not trained to interpret. If every other similar legal document comes with witnesses and acknowledgments, those without such raise a warning flag. If, on the other hand, your document has even more authentication than others, such as an acknowledgment in addition to witness signatures, such serves, in my opinion, to add validity. Of course, if you use the form standardized and in common use by the institution where you know your client will be going, that also should be easily accepted. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>S <span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Neumiller<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 02, 2015 3:34 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] HCDPAs for Minors Signing Requirements<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>After reviewing 11.94 and the estate planning deskbook, I can’t find the signature requirements for an effective HCDPA for minors. They will not be recorded so I have no independent need to have the DPA notarized. I don’t find any requirement for witnesses. Other than adding weightiness and looking important, any other reasons for doing more than the signature and date of the signing parent? <o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>