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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Yikes--it's a conflict between statutes so that's a full-employment act for the lawyers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Speaking off the cuff, I'd argue that 30A.22.100 is meant to allow banks to pay to the named party without liability, but in fact a Will provision under 11.11.020(3) would control and impose a constructive trust
on the POD recipient, for the benefit of the estate or beneficiary designated in the Will. But who knows, once we wander into the thicket of statutory construction.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">"Most recently enacted statute wins?"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Or, "the Legislature will not repeal an existing statute by implication?"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">Eric<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">Eric C. Nelsen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kate Szurek<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 04, 2015 5:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] JT/ROS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Well, the very last sentence of RCW 30A.22.100 is interesting. How does that jive with RCW 11.11.020(3) – which we have relied upon from time to time, especially with older clients who we learn have put a child’s
name on their accounts so the child could help them manage their finances (i.e., for convenience only) and not meaning the account should pass to that child alone? Of course, we can always go bank to bank and fix it, but that can be tough to accomplish with
any rapidity.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Kate<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Cataneo BT";color:blue">Kate Szurek</span></i></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black">, J.D., LL.M.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D">P.O. Box 336 / 227 Freeway Drive, Suite B<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Eric Nelsen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 04, 2015 2:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] JT/ROS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">A bank isn't <i>required</i> to offer all varieties of account allowed under
<a href="http://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=30A.22&full=true#30A.22.050">
RCW 30A.22.050</a>, so far as I'm aware. (Hey look everybody--I just discovered that RCW 30.22 has been changed to RCW 30A.22, effective on January 5 of this year! Does anybody know what substantive changes were made?)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I think it's convenient for the banks to blame "state law" but that's bull puckey. They could offer TIC, they just don' wanna. Despite the fact that the law continues to shield them from almost any kind of liability.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">Eric<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">Eric C. Nelsen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">SAYRE LAW OFFICES, PLLC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">1320 University St<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">Seattle WA 98101-2837<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D">phone 206-625-0092<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jacob Menashe<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 04, 2015 1:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] JT/ROS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">How timely. I have definitely experienced this in the last few weeks – and pressed but not too hard – with both Chase and B of A. They refer to “state law” and one of them said TIC is only possible in two states!
(For the life of me, I don’t get what they are getting at. Maybe someone here can elucidate?) I just had a conversation with someone at Wells Fargo and the person confirmed they still do this.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Jacob<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">
wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kate Szurek<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 04, 2015 1:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] JT/ROS<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In the grumbling-about-banks department, I was just informed that WA Fed will not allow a couple to hold their CDs in both names
<u>unless</u> it as joint tenants <u>with right of survivorship</u>. We have a taxable estate, so I prefer to avoid investments that pass automatically on death to the survivor.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Of course, I have any number of work-arounds, and I’m not worried about small accounts, but my question of you is whether you are similarly finding such restrictions, and if you are, whether you have found banks who are willing to allow
the accounts to be held simply as joint tenants (tenants-in-common), without any kind of automatic transfer on the death of one of the owners.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks in advance,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kate<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Cataneo BT";color:blue">Kate Szurek</span></i></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black">, J.D., LL.M.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D">P.O. Box 336 / 227 Freeway Drive, Suite B<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D">Mount Vernon, WA 98273<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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