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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Interesting--that is even more of a conflict. I think this is going to get re-litigated under 30A.22.100 at some point. Can a contract of deposit truly override
the statutory authority under Ch. 11.11 RCW to dispose of nonprobate assets by Will? Especially since the banks already are protected under
<a href="http://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=11.11&full=true#11.11.040">RCW 11.11.040</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It's true a depositor can waive their superwill rights.
<a href="http://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=11.11&full=true#11.11.030">RCW 11.11.030</a>. But is it truly an informed and knowing waiver if it's boilerplate in the contract of deposit?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Eric<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Eric C. Nelsen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">SAYRE LAW OFFICES, PLLC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Katharine P. Bauer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 05, 2015 6:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] JT/ROS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Twin Star CU actually states in their account contracts that they will not honor outside language controlling the account.... Super will provisions<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jun 4, 2015 6:38 PM, "Eric Nelsen" <<a href="mailto:Eric@sayrelawoffices.com">Eric@sayrelawoffices.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">Yikes--it's a conflict between statutes so that's a full-employment act for the lawyers.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">Speaking off the cuff, I'd argue that 30A.22.100 is meant to allow banks to pay to the named party without liability, but in fact a Will provision under
11.11.020(3) would control and impose a constructive trust on the POD recipient, for the benefit of the estate or beneficiary designated in the Will. But who knows, once we wander into the thicket of statutory construction.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">"Most recently enacted statute wins?"</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">Or, "the Legislature will not repeal an existing statute by implication?"</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">Sincerely,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">Eric</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">Eric C. Nelsen</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kate Szurek<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 04, 2015 5:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] JT/ROS</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">Well, the very last sentence of RCW 30A.22.100 is interesting. How does that jive with RCW 11.11.020(3) – which we have relied upon from time to time,
especially with older clients who we learn have put a child’s name on their accounts so the child could help them manage their finances (i.e., for convenience only) and not meaning the account should pass to that child alone? Of course, we can always go bank
to bank and fix it, but that can be tough to accomplish with any rapidity.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">Kate</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Eric Nelsen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 04, 2015 2:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] JT/ROS</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">A bank isn't
<i>required</i> to offer all varieties of account allowed under <a href="http://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=30A.22&full=true#30A.22.050" target="_blank">
RCW 30A.22.050</a>, so far as I'm aware. (Hey look everybody--I just discovered that RCW 30.22 has been changed to RCW 30A.22, effective on January 5 of this year! Does anybody know what substantive changes were made?)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">I think it's convenient for the banks to blame "state law" but that's bull puckey. They could offer TIC, they just don' wanna. Despite the fact that
the law continues to shield them from almost any kind of liability.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">Sincerely,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">Eric</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">Eric C. Nelsen</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jacob Menashe<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 04, 2015 1:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] JT/ROS</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">How timely. I have definitely experienced this in the last few weeks – and pressed but not too hard – with both Chase and B of A. They refer to “state
law” and one of them said TIC is only possible in two states! (For the life of me, I don’t get what they are getting at. Maybe someone here can elucidate?) I just had a conversation with someone at Wells Fargo and the person confirmed they still do this.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kate Szurek<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 04, 2015 1:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] JT/ROS<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">In the grumbling-about-banks department, I was just informed that WA Fed will not allow a couple to hold their CDs in both names
<u>unless</u> it as joint tenants <u>with right of survivorship</u>. We have a taxable estate, so I prefer to avoid investments that pass automatically on death to the survivor.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Of course, I have any number of work-arounds, and I’m not worried about small accounts, but my question of you is whether you are similarly finding such restrictions, and if you
are, whether you have found banks who are willing to allow the accounts to be held simply as joint tenants (tenants-in-common), without any kind of automatic transfer on the death of one of the owners.<o:p></o:p></p>
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