<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I disagree that it is as simple as the mortgage payor can take the deduction. Someone must be an owner or equitable owner. Look at CFR 1.163-1(b)<br><br>Sent from my iPhone ~ Paul H. Grant</div><div><br>On May 26, 2015, at 12:25 PM, H Henson <<a href="mailto:hhensoncpa@gmail.com">hhensoncpa@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Marcia,</div><div> </div><div><div>if your client is paying the mortgage, your client should be able to claim the deduction. I've dealt with several instances where the tax reporting (1099, 1098, etc) was in the name of another person, etc., but was paid by someone else. In general, whoever was paying was able to take the deduction. </div><div> </div><div>but it depends on the facts and circumstances. Clunky? possibly, yes.</div><div>Will it require responding to IRS letters? most likely; In my experience, most letters sent <u>with</u> returns are ignored. letters sent in response to IRS letters actually get read. You are on the right track to claim the deduction for your client.</div></div><div> </div><div>To Tom's point - if the property is characterized as a rental / investment property, there is a different method to report; or it could alternately be claimed as an interest deduction related to a second property. Depends on the client's situation.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div><div><strong><font face="arial black,sans-serif">Holly Henson, CPA</font></strong></div><div><strong><font face="Arial Black">Attorney at law</font></strong></div><div><em><font face="times new roman,serif">PO Box 1555</font></em></div><div><em><font face="times new roman,serif">Bellevue, WA 98009</font></em></div><div><em><font face="times new roman,serif">fax/phone <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="white-space:nowrap"><span class="baec5a81-e4d6-4674-97f3-e9220f0136c1" style="white-space:nowrap">(206) 203-3259<a title="Call: (206) 203-3259" style="margin:0px;border:currentColor;width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;vertical-align:middle;float:none;display:inline;white-space:nowrap" href="https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/html/compose/static_files/blank_quirks.html#"><img title="Call: (206) 203-3259" style="margin: 0px; border: currentColor; left: 0px; top: 0px; width: 16px; height: 16px; right: 0px; bottom: 0px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: middle; float: none; display: inline; white-space: nowrap; position: static !important;" src="data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABAAAAAQCAYAAAAf8/9hAAAACXBIWXMAAA7EAAAOxAGVKw4bAAAAIGNIUk0AAHolAACAgwAA+f8AAIDpAAB1MAAA6mAAADqYAAAXb5JfxUYAAAKLSURBVHjadJPfS5NhFMe/21xvuhXRyJAZroiSrJnbRdT7vrAf5HBaK5RABmEEwQIvkpZ/QRcWXdSFw5soKaF0F7qZeLO13mGBDpQsf5CoxVKHOt0Pctp2uvEdrzG/V+c553w/54HnPDIiQiGpPMETABoB2AAYd9MRAMMAvGmX+RcAyAoBVJ7gZQDtABworH4AHWmX+bOMZdkjCoXiUzabvcAwzPSsob5p/VTNY9GcdpnxdmYZ9wJThSCtCr1e/4XjuNPd3d1KjUZzaGbI27ysqzGQoggAsLa1A7ehArrDxfDNr0oBlQB+wmKxbJFEL968SxoamsjkHaPU9l9piUo6A0RE1DG2QCWdASrpDAzJM5kMI8XecdjVxfEl+K9dxFgsgUvvR6HyBKHyBAEATyKLeGSsENuNcqk5kUjEGm7fzcYqr0ClVODl99+YXEvl6+c1amjVe+ahiGGYaUEQKnmeh91uL43rqheixjpdmzCL11er0PcjhrTLvMfUJsyKYUSeyWQ6enp6tgCgrKxsfbP8bB8AdE1G89cOReMAgOv+Cag8QXRNRkXAsDwcDr+am5tLCYKA3t7eo2dG+1vVK/MfpRPtA+MIReMYaKj+/xm9MiICx3EmpVL5wefzFavValis1u1vvHMkdfykCQC0kSGUTo+Ajmnx1dSC7IGD+UUCEYGIwLKsyWazrSeTSSIiMpnNf7Ttz5+ec96fr7/VnE0mk+QfHMzV3WjcKH/4rEr05QGFIA6HY4llWRLPRER+v3/HYrFMFQSIkNra2tVQKJSlfcSyLO0LECFWq3XF6XRGA4HAptTsdrsXeZ6fEHtl+31nAOA4rkUulz/I5XL63dQGgHEAN8Ph8AYA/BsAt4ube4GblQIAAAAASUVORK5CYII="></a></span><a title="Call: (206) 203-3259" style="margin:0px;border:currentColor;width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;vertical-align:middle;float:none;display:inline;white-space:nowrap" href="https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/html/compose/static_files/blank_quirks.html#UNIQUE_ID_SafeHtmlFilter_"><img title="Call: (206) 203-3259" style="margin: 0px; border: currentColor; width: 16px; height: 16px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: middle; float: none; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;" src="cid:"></a></span><a title="Call: (206) 203-3259" style="margin:0px;border:currentColor;width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;vertical-align:middle;float:none;display:inline;white-space:nowrap" href="https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/html/compose/static_files/blank_quirks.html#UNIQUE_ID_SafeHtmlFilter_UNIQUE_ID_SafeHtmlFilter_"><img title="Call: (206) 203-3259" style="margin: 0px; border: currentColor; width: 16px; height: 16px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: middle; float: none; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;" src="cid:"></a></span><a title="Call: (206) 203-3259" style="margin:0px;width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;vertical-align:middle;float:none;display:inline;white-space:nowrap" href="https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/html/compose/static_files/blank_quirks.html#SafeHtmlFilter_" target="_blank"><img title="Call: (206) 203-3259" style="margin: 0px; width: 16px; height: 16px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: middle; float: none; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;" src="cid:"></a></span><a title="Call: (206) 203-3259" style="margin:0px;width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;vertical-align:middle;float:none;display:inline;white-space:nowrap" href="https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/html/compose/static_files/blank_quirks.html#SafeHtmlFilter_SafeHtmlFilter_" target="_blank"><img title="Call: (206) 203-3259" style="margin: 0px; width: 16px; height: 16px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: middle; float: none; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;" src="cid:"></a></span></font></em></div><div><em><font face="times new roman,serif"><span style="white-space:nowrap"></span></font></em> </div><div> </div></div><div><br> </div><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Tom J. Westbrook <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tjw@w3net.net" target="_blank">tjw@w3net.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Hi Marcia,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">As always, Heather has great comments and advice re: the lender. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">On the interest rates, if the brother isn’t living in the home, then it is not his personal residence. Check with a CPA, but it is my understanding there are differences in how interest is handled between residential property and commercial property from a tax reporting standpoint if the brother is using the home as a rental. Active versus passive loss rules will likely be involved as well. I can’t cite you to the IRS section, but have had experience in the past where a CPA did advise that the heir could take the interest deduction as long as the heir is the one paying the payments. My recollection (which is sometimes questionable) was the CPA advised that someone is entitled to the interest deduction and if the heir is making the payments and has made a defacto assumption of the loan, then he/she should be entitled to take the deduction whether the lender will approve an actual assumption or not. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> Tom<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marcia Mellinger<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 25, 2015 1:31 PM</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] probate question - single spouse on mortgage<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p><p></p></div></div><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Dear Tom, To fill in some details--<br><br>My client is the surviving brother of the deceased, and the PR is the surviving wife. The property was purchased before their brief marriage, note and DOT signed only by the deceased. The surviving spouse has given up her interest in the property, so not interested in financing it. I have asked my client to check into refi options, but I think the rate was so low, he does not want to mess with it.<br><br>Hope someone has some ideas about reporting the mortgage interest deduction, and options for dealing with the creditor's claim from the lender. (I have not seen a mortgage lender file a creditor's claim before this).<br><br>Best, Marcia<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><hr width="100%" size="3" align="center"></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 12:40:51 -0700<br>From: <a href="mailto:tjw@w3net.net" target="_blank">tjw@w3net.net</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] probate question - single spouse on mortgage<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Marcia, your facts are pretty Spartan so hard to give a considered response.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Can your PR client get financing to pay off the loan? </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Is the heir a spouse or other beneficiary?</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">If a spouse, is there anywhere in the loan documents that make the spouse responsible for any of the payments on the promissory note?</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Sincerely,</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Tom</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Thomas J. 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If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at <a href="tel:360-352-8311" target="_blank" value="+13603528311">360-352-8311</a> or by e-mail to <a href="mailto:reception@buddbaylaw.com" target="_blank">reception@buddbaylaw.com</a>, and destroy the original message from your electronic files.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marcia Mellinger<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 24, 2015 9:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] probate question - single spouse on mortgage</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I am currently dealing with this and Garn-St Germain appears the lender may not assert its due on sale clause, but the lender also will not allow an assumption, so the interest deduction is not under the name of the inheritor. We are dealing with this through letters filed with return, etc, but it is kind of clunky. <br><br>Also the lender filed a creditor's claim in the probate and so the probate cannot be closed.<br><br>Don't know if anyone knows of any work arounds. Best, Marcia<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><hr width="100%" size="3" align="center"></span></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 15:06:28 -0700<br>From: <a href="mailto:tjw@w3net.net" target="_blank">tjw@w3net.net</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] probate question - single spouse on mortgage<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Hello Sharon,</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">My response is based upon my experience and is not intended to be a complete legal analysis of your client’s situation. Others may have a more detailed legal opinion. The starting point is as MK pointed out.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">In my experience, as long as the lender (beneficiary) is getting paid they are happy and do nothing. If H wants to keep the house, then he can either continue to make payments or he can refinance if that is more beneficial for him based on interest rates today (and points and closing costs) versus whatever interest rate is on the loan now. </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Whether you give probate notice to creditors to the lender or not is really immaterial since the deed of trust will remain in first position anyway as it is secured debt. In other words, you can’t get rid of the debt by giving them notice and hoping they don’t file a creditor’s claim; from a practical standpoint that really only applies to non-secured debt of the decedent or other secured debt that is not covered by any equity in the home and H is thinking about selling for less than the total secured debts owed – in that case the second or third position lender may elect to collect in a non-judicial proceeding. If you have given notice to them and they don’t file their creditor’s claim timely, then any subsequent attempt to collect may be time barred if it is only against the decedent’s estate. If H is also on the second or third debt (if there is additional secured debt), then any bar to a later claim by that lender will not arise as to his community portion of the debt since his estate is not part of the probate.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">As a side note, if the home is “underwater” from an equity standpoint and H does not want to keep the home, then when H is appointed PR with Letters Testamentary, he can try to work out a short sale of deed in lieu with the lender and move out after that all is done. In that case, you should consider if it is advisable for H to sink additional funds into the loan payments or discontinue making loan payments since most of the payment is interest and not reducing principal very much. When and if that decision is made is fairly strategic and should be made based upon a number of considerations that are very dynamic depending upon the totality of circumstances that I won’t go into with this response. </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Sincerely,</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Tom</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(68,84,106);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Thomas J. 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class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>MK Henderson<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 24, 2015 11:50 AM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] probate question - single spouse on mortgage</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div><h1><span style="color:rgb(179,27,27);font-family:"Georgia","serif";font-size:18pt;font-weight:normal">Look at the Garn-St Germain Act following.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></h1><h1><span style="color:rgb(179,27,27);font-family:"Georgia","serif";font-size:18pt;font-weight:normal">12 U.S. Code § 1701j–3 - Preemption of due-on-sale prohibitions</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></h1></div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10.5pt">(d)</span></b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10.5pt"> <b>Exemption of specified transfers or dispositions</b></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10.5pt">With respect to a real property loan secured by a lien on residential real property containing less than five dwelling units, including a lien on the stock allocated to a dwelling unit in a cooperative housing corporation, or on a residential manufactured home, a lender may not exercise its option pursuant to a due-on-sale clause upon—</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt"><a name="14d910cdbf19fab4_d_1"></a><b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10.5pt">(1)</span></b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10.5pt"> the creation of a lien or other encumbrance subordinate to the lender’s security instrument which does not relate to a transfer of rights of occupancy in the property;</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt"><a name="14d910cdbf19fab4_d_2"></a><b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10.5pt">(2)</span></b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10.5pt"> the creation of a purchase money security interest for household appliances;</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt"><a name="14d910cdbf19fab4_d_3"></a><b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10.5pt">(3)</span></b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10.5pt"> a transfer by devise, descent, or operation of law on the death of a joint tenant or tenant by the entirety;</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt"><a name="14d910cdbf19fab4_d_4"></a><b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10.5pt">(4)</span></b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10.5pt"> the granting of a leasehold interest of three years or less not containing an option to purchase;</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt"><a name="14d910cdbf19fab4_d_5"></a><b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10.5pt">(5)</span></b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10.5pt"> a transfer to a relative resulting from the death of a borrower;</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt"><a name="14d910cdbf19fab4_d_6"></a><b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10.5pt">(6)</span></b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10.5pt"> a transfer where the spouse or children of the borrower become an owner of the property;</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt"><a name="14d910cdbf19fab4_d_7"></a><b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10.5pt">(7)</span></b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10.5pt"> a transfer resulting from a decree of a dissolution of marriage, legal separation agreement, or from an incidental property settlement agreement, by which the spouse of the borrower becomes an owner of the property;</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt"><a name="14d910cdbf19fab4_d_8"></a><b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10.5pt">(8)</span></b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10.5pt"> a transfer into an inter vivos trust in which the borrower is and remains a beneficiary and which does not relate to a transfer of rights of occupancy in the property; or</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt"><a name="14d910cdbf19fab4_d_9"></a><b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10.5pt">(9)</span></b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10.5pt"> any other transfer or disposition described in regulations prescribed by the Federal Home Loan Bank Board.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10.5pt"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10.5pt">Under 6 if the spouse takes by inheritance the spouse can continue paying on the note. There is a question in your scenario whether the couple own the home as joint with right of survivorship but if the spouse were to die then the transfer of the remaining spouse could continue to pay on the note. </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Sharon Rutberg <<a href="mailto:email@sharonrutberglaw.com" target="_blank">email@sharonrutberglaw.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Hello, Listmates –<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Anybody out there this holiday weekend? <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Married couple owns a home as “husband and wife” on the deed, but mortgage is in wife’s name alone (she had the better credit). They want to know whether, if she dies, he can “just keep making payments” on the existing mortgage. That sounds doubtful to me, and I’d like to understand what will happen. If she dies, will notice have to go to the mortgage company as her creditor? Will the husband (as PR) have to pay off the mortgage using estate funds, or could he refinance it in his own name? <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Thanks very much for your thoughts, and happy holiday. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Best,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Sharon<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:9pt">Sharon C. 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