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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='color:#1F497D'>I second that! (my thoughts exactly while reading Eric’s response – I always read all Eric’s posts and learn something every time).<o:p></o:p></span></a></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Wil <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Bodoni MT";color:#1F497D'>Wilhelmina C. Harlock, Attorney<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Bodoni MT";color:#1F497D'>GAL 26 & 11 / Certified Mediator<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Bodoni MT";color:#1F497D'>PO Box 279<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Bodoni MT";color:#1F497D'>720 Main St, Suite 227<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Bodoni MT";color:#1F497D'>Mount Vernon, WA 98273<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Bodoni MT";color:#1F497D'>Tel: 360-593-5594 Fax: 360-404-7110<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Bodoni MT";color:#1F497D'>Email: </span><a href="mailto:wilharlock@gmail.com"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Bodoni MT";color:blue'>wilharlock@gmail.com</span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Bodoni MT";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>***************************************************************************<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Bodoni MT";color:#1F497D'>The information transmitted in this email is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain <b><u>confidential and/or privileged material</u></b>, the disclosure of which is governed by applicable law. 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If you received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Bodoni MT";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger Hawkes<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 13, 2015 4:45 PM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Submission of Will copy to probate<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Eric: you are an outstanding contributor</span><span style='font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Roger Hawkes, WSBA # 5173<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>19909 Ballinger Way NE<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Shoreline, WA 98155<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.hawkeslawfirm.com"><span style='color:blue'>www.hawkeslawfirm.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>206 367 5000<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Fax is 206 367 4005<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Eric Nelsen [<a href="mailto:Eric@sayrelawoffices.com">mailto:Eric@sayrelawoffices.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 13, 2015 4:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Submission of Will copy to probate<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Do not unstaple the original! I hope it was only stapled once, so it's clear it was a single unified document.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>It's a lost Will circumstance I think, proved by a copy, which means two hurdles:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> 1. A Will that cannot be found nevertheless may be proved "if...lost or destroyed under circumstances such that the loss or destruction does not have the effect of revoking the will." RCW 11.20.070(1). At common law, a Will that cannot be found is presumed to have been destroyed animo revocandi–with intent to revoke. <u>Estate of Bowers</u>, 132 Wn. App. 334, 341-342, 131 P.3d 916 (2006); <u>Estate of Nelson</u>, 85 Wn.2d 602, 607, 537 P.2d 765 (1975). The presumption may be rebutted and the Will deemed simply lost without intent to revoke, on much less than "clear and distinct" evidence, "and will often be largely circumstantial." Nelson, 85 Wn.2d at 607. The rebutting evidence may be "evidence as to the testator's attitude of mind, as indicated by [her] declarations made between the time of executing the will and the time of [her] death . . ." Id. "Recognizing that the fundamental concern is the fulfillment of the testator's intent, we have in previous cases found evidence showing that a will was in existence at the time of the death adequate, although it was far from overwhelming." Id., citing Auritt (decedent's oral reaffirmations of her affection for and desire to devise to her brother, shortly before her death), <u>Estate of Harris</u>, 10 Wn. 555, 39 P. 148 (1895) (decedent's statements two weeks prior to death that he had a valid will similar to the offered for probate).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> 2. The execution and contents of a lost Will must be proved by "clear, cogent, and convincing" evidence. RCW 11.20.070(2); Estate of Black, 153 Wn.2d 152, 163, 102 P.3d 796 (2004). The elements to prove execution of a lost Will are the same as for any Will. The contents are proved by the photocopy maintained by the lawyer's office where it was drafted and executed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>On the first requirement, I think your Will helps, if client can testify that this was the "original" that the decedent had maintained, and it was attorney error that caused client to receive only photocopy of the signature page. Maybe they still have the lawyer's cover letter? Also note that the papers are only stapled together once, with no other holes, demonstrating that this was the complete version maintained by the decedent. I think that all effectively rebuts the presumption of destruction with intent to revoke, because client never destroyed anything--just had only part of the original due to a lawyer snafu.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>And of course your Will copy also works toward the second requirement, proving contents of the Will. As to circumstances of execution, I think you do want as many confirming declarations from witnesses and the notary as you can get. You do need to find the witnesses if at all possible, or as many of them as you can.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Eric<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Eric C. Nelsen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>SAYRE LAW OFFICES, PLLC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>1320 University St<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Seattle WA 98101-2837<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>phone 206-625-0092<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>fax 206-625-9040<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Erin Fairley<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 13, 2015 3:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Submission of Will copy to probate<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Client/PR has Original Codicil (2006) and Four pages of Original will(1995) in blue ink; the last two pages of the will – signature and affidavit – are copies. Codicil approves, ratifies and affirms 1995 Will. Client reports that original attorney made this error when the original will was mailed to decedent in 1995. Original attorney can’t be located. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Any suggestions/advice as to procedure are appreciated. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Erin<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#00007F'>Erin M. Fairley, Attorney</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>121 Lakeside Avenue, Suite 108<br>Seattle, WA 98122<br><a href="mailto:efairley@advocateslg.com">mailto:efairley@advocateslg.com</a><br>Phone: (206)-535-7929; Cell: (206) 353-4625<br><a href="http://www.advocateslg.com/" target="_blank">http://www.advocateslg.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><img border=0 width=230 height=47 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.png@01D08D9D.2149F020"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><br><br><br><br>The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged, confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail message or any attachment to it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please notify the sender via e-mail or telephone at (206)353-4625, do not read the contents and delete the original message from your electronic files. No waiver of the attorney-client privilege or the work product privilege is intended if this e-mail is sent to an unintended or an unauthorized recipient.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='color:black'>Sara Longley <<a href="mailto:sara@longley-law.pro">sara@longley-law.pro</a>><br><b>Reply-To: </b>WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Wednesday, May 13, 2015 at 1:47 PM<br><b>To: </b>WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [WSBAPT] New Jersey probate help<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Thanks for the quick referrals! I will pass these on to my friend.<br><br>Sara<br><br>Sara D. Longley, JD, LL.M.<br>1718 NW 56th Street #304<br>Seattle, WA 98107<br>(206)434-5644<br><a href="mailto:Sara@Longley-law.pro">Sara@Longley-law.pro</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='color:black'><a href="mailto:tgorton@khbblaw.com">Tiffany Gorton</a></span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><br></span><b><span style='color:black'>Sent: </span></b><span style='color:black'>5/13/2015 7:46 AM</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><br></span><b><span style='color:black'>To: </span></b><span style='color:black'><a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com">WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv</a></span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><br></span><b><span style='color:black'>Subject: </span></b><span style='color:black'>Re: [WSBAPT] New Jersey probate help</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>I recommend Joe Console. He practices in both PA and NJ.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Joseph J. Console esq. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><a href="tel:(267)%20603-2493"><span style='color:black'>(267) 603-2493</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><a href="x-apple-data-detectors://0/1"><span style='color:black'>1515 Market Street</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><a href="x-apple-data-detectors://0/1"><span style='color:black'>Suite 1200</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><a href="x-apple-data-detectors://0/1">Philadelphia PA 19102</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><br>On May 12, 2015, at 11:56 PM, Sara D. Longley <<a href="mailto:sara@longley-law.pro">sara@longley-law.pro</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Hello listmates,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>A friend of mine in New Jersey is in a complicated situation after the death of both her parents within three weeks of each other early this year. She has 6 siblings and there are deep disagreements about how to handle the estate. Add to that the fact that my friend and one of her siblings lived with and cared for their parents in the last part of their lives, and may or may not be compensated for their time or for giving up other work.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Can anyone recommend a smart and compassionate attorney in NJ that she could talk to?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Thanks in advance,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Sara<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Bright","serif";color:black'><image003.jpg></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Bright","serif";color:black'>Sara D. Longley, J.D., LL.M.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Bright","serif";color:black'>Attorney at Law</span></i><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Bright","serif";color:black'>1718 NW 56<sup>th</sup> Street #304</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Bright","serif";color:black'>Seattle, WA 98107</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Bright","serif";color:black'><a href="tel:%28206%29%20434-5644" target="_blank"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>(206) 434-5644</span></a></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Bright","serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:Sara@Longley-law.pro"><span style='color:blue'>Sara@Longley-law.pro</span></a></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Bright","serif";color:black'><a href="http://www.longley-law.pro/" target="_blank"><span style='color:blue'>www.longley-law.pro</span></a></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Bright","serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>This email is intended only for the individual to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and/or exempt from disclosure. 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