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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">RCW 64.28.040 states: (1) Joint tenancy interests held in the names of both spouses or both domestic partners, whether or not in conjunction with others, are presumed to be their community property,
the same as other property held in the name of both spouses or both domestic partners. Any such interest passes to the survivor of the spouse or survivor of the domestic partner as provided for property held in joint tenancy, but in all other respects the
interest is treated as community property.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">other community property states take the position that community property and joint tenancy don't mix, but the Washington statute clearly says otherwise. see section 5.5 of the CP deskbook. So
I think you could take the wheel from the title company on that issue. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 29, 2015 2:03 PM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I have had conversations with title companies on the issue of community property and JTWROS before. The end result of those conversations has generally been that a married couple can own property as JTWROS, or
as Community Property (as husband and wife) but not both, that is, if a married couple wanted to own as JTWROS, it should clarify not only “and not as tenants in common”, but also “nor as community property”. I’m not sure that I entirely agree, but tend to
find that the title companies drive this bus so to speak, and we do it the way they want to see it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 29, 2015 1:23 PM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif";color:#1F497D">The presumption for joint tenancy is that all parties (of any number of individuals) have undivided equal interests in the property. As each joint tenant dies, the remaining
survivors take equal shares. The last survivor takes all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif";color:#1F497D">A change or transfer of one or more joint tenant’s interest “breaks” the joint tenancy and essentially converts it to a tenancy in common.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif";color:#1F497D">The inclusion of “as husband and wife” would indicate a confirmation of the community property character of the property.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Book Antiqua","serif";color:#1F497D">I don’t think that you can create a joint tenancy between two marital communities. After the first individual dies, that would result in unequal shares held between the individuals.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lisa Schuchman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 29, 2015 1:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Title question<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif"">My clients, a married couple, took title to property with their daughter and her husband. Here is how the deed describes the grantees:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif"">“Jane Doe and John Doe, wife and husband, and Alice Smith and Bob Smith, wife and husband, as joint tenants with right of survivorship.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif"">Do we think this is two joint tenants (two couples) or four (four individuals)? If four, how can we describe it so it is two?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif"">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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