<div dir="ltr">More comment. I have seen joint tenancy with right of survivorship between two entities (couples) who owned their share of the asset as Tenants by the Entirety. I do think you can have a joint tenant interest between two couples, but it really isn't clear what the intent was between the four of them. Hence my question about what is the goal or problem you are concerned with. If their intent is that the last one standing owns it, there may not be an issue. If there is an effort by one of the parties (individual or couple) to change the situation, then there are issues. If one transfers, though (either individual or couple) then the JTROS is broken and you have Tenants in common....</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Katharine P. Bauer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kpb@bpblegal.com" target="_blank">kpb@bpblegal.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">My statement should have been, why are you worrying about it? What is the goal or problem that is of concern. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Tara <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pugetsoundlaw@gmail.com" target="_blank">pugetsoundlaw@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif;color:#1f497d">The presumption for joint tenancy is that all parties (of any number of individuals) have undivided equal interests in the property. As each joint tenant dies, the remaining survivors take equal shares. The last survivor takes all.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif;color:#1f497d">A change or transfer of one or more joint tenant’s interest “breaks” the joint tenancy and essentially converts it to a tenancy in common.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif;color:#1f497d">The inclusion of “as husband and wife” would indicate a confirmation of the community property character of the property.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif;color:#1f497d">I don’t think that you can create a joint tenancy between two marital communities. After the first individual dies, that would result in unequal shares held between the individuals.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif;color:#1f497d">Tara M. Roberts<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif;color:#1f497d">Puget Sound Law PLLC<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif;color:#1f497d"><a href="mailto:roberts@pugetsoundlaw.com" target="_blank">roberts@pugetsoundlaw.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="X-NONE" style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif">******************************<br>The information contained in this email is intended as a collegial exchange of ideas, may be incorrect, and is made without warranty of accuracy of any kind. The ideas and opinions expressed in this message are offered as unresearched thoughts, may be retracted or changed without notice, and do not create any attorney-client relationship. They should not be relied upon as applicable to any particular fact situation. 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Here is how the deed describes the grantees:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif">“Jane Doe and John Doe, wife and husband, and Alice Smith and Bob Smith, wife and husband, as joint tenants with right of survivorship.”<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif">Do we think this is two joint tenants (two couples) or four (four individuals)? 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