<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Sara--a social security death benefit attributable to the decedent counts as a payment toward decedent's child support obligation, so be sure to check that out. Sometimes the monthly death benefit is greater than the court ordered support, in which case nothing further would be owed.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Mark</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Sara D. Longley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sara@longley-law.pro" target="_blank">sara@longley-law.pro</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" bgcolor="white" vlink="#954F72" link="#0563C1"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="14c383eb3f895dbd__MailEndCompose"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thanks Kerry, Eric, and Robert! This is very good information. I have asked the client for a copy of the order and I’ll work from there.<u></u><u></u></span></a></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Best,<u></u><u></u></span></p><span><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Sara<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Lucida Bright",serif;font-size:10pt"><img width="60" height="74" alt="logo-mini" src="cid:image003.jpg@01D062F8.3E1B1C80"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Lucida Bright",serif;font-size:10pt">Sara D. Longley, J.D., LL.M.</span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Lucida Bright",serif;font-size:10pt">Attorney at Law<u></u><u></u></span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Lucida Bright",serif;font-size:10pt">1718 NW 56<sup>th</sup> Street #304<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Lucida Bright",serif;font-size:10pt">Seattle, WA 98107</span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="tel:%28206%29%20434-5644" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Lucida Bright",serif;font-size:10pt;text-decoration:none">(206) 434-5644</span></a><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:Sara@Longley-law.pro" target="_blank"><span style="color:blue;font-family:"Lucida Bright",serif;font-size:10pt">Sara@Longley-law.pro</span></a><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.longley-law.pro/" target="_blank"><span style="color:blue;font-family:"Lucida Bright",serif;font-size:10pt">www.longley-law.pro</span></a><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></span><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext"> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert R. Cole<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 20, 2015 10:07 AM</span><div><div class="h5"><br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] How to provide for Testator's child support obligation<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p></p></div></div><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">Judgments need to be presented as a claim, just don't have to provide proof.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Very Truly Yours,<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Robert R. Cole<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Law Office of Cole & Gilday, P.C. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">10101 - 270th St. NW <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">P.O. Box 249 <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Stanwood, WA 98292 <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="tel:%28360%29%20629-2900" target="_blank" value="+13606292900">(360) 629-2900</a> (Telephone) <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="tel:%28360%29%20629-0220" target="_blank" value="+13606290220">(360) 629-0220</a> (Fax) <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">This message contains confidential and privileged information that is intended only for the named recipient(s). Unless you are the named recipient or authorized agent thereof, you are prohibited from reading, copying, distributing or otherwise disseminating such information. If you receive this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>On 3/20/2015 9:56 AM, Eric Nelsen wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I agree with Kerry. The statute is <a href="http://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=26.09.170" target="_blank">RCW 26.09.170(3)</a>. If there is an obligation-after-death provision in the Order of Child Support, then I think the Will could simply state that the child may have a legal claim against the Estate based on the Order of Child Support, but except for lawful fulfilment of such claim as it may be presented, the child receives nothing under the Will.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I don't think an actual bequest is necessary, because the Order of Child Support typically does not require maintaining a bequest for the child (though some do actually say that), but rather that the Estate is burdened by the obligation, regardless of what the Will says.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">As an aside, I wonder if such an obligation is subject to the creditor claim process. I <i>think</i> it would be, but since it's a court ordered obligation, does it really need an individual to step in and file a claim in order to make it good?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:12pt">Sincerely,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:12pt">Eric</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:12pt">Eric C. Nelsen</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:12pt">SAYRE LAW OFFICES, PLLC</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:12pt">1320 University St</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:12pt">Seattle WA 98101-2837</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:12pt">phone <a href="tel:206-625-0092" target="_blank" value="+12066250092">206-625-0092</a></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:12pt">fax <a href="tel:206-625-9040" target="_blank" value="+12066259040">206-625-9040</a></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;font-size:10pt"> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kerry Richards<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 20, 2015 9:26 AM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] How to provide for Testator's child support obligation</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Dear Sara:</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Child support obligations die with the obligor parent according to the applicable statute. I suggest you examine the Order of Child Support to see if the parties have agreed the support obligation should survive the death of the parent. If they have agreed to the obligation surviving the death of the parent, they also probably have a security device in place such as life insurance or the right to make a creditor’s claim against the estate. I would investigate a bit more which will reveal the best course. If it dies with the obligor parent, then what you have done may suffice. If the obligation survives, there could be a calculation on a declining basis to include in the will. Then again, the purchase of a term policy of life insurance could also handle the task. </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:10pt">Yours truly,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:10pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:10pt">Kerry A. 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If you are not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify this office immediately by email.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;font-size:10pt"> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sara D. Longley<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 20, 2015 8:42 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv'<br><b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] How to provide for Testator's child support obligation</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Listmates,<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">How would you draft a will provision for a testator who does not want to leave any bequest for his minor child by a prior partner, but who has a court-ordered child support obligation to that child until he/she reaches age 18?<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Of course the will identifies the child by name and states that the testator’s intent is to make no gift to the child. Should I also include a conditional provision for payment of any legal obligation existing upon Testator’s death? Or just leave it up to the child’s parent/DSHS to claim against the estate? Or something in between?<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks in advance,<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Sara<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Lucida Bright , serif",serif;font-size:10pt"><img width="60" height="74" alt="logo-mini" src="cid:image002.jpg@01D062F8.3DFEE1F0" border="0"></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Lucida Bright , serif",serif;font-size:10pt">Sara D. 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