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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>The Pierce County Auditor’s Office takes the position that if the full legal is on page 1 that satisfies the requirement for an abbreviated legal description since the full legal description contains all the required information from the abbreviated legal description.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"HelveticaNeueETW01-55Rg",serif;color:#1F497D'>John McCrady<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"HelveticaNeueETW01-55Rg",serif;color:#1F497D'>Counsel</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Puget Sound Title Company<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>5350 Orchard Street West<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>University Place WA 98466<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>253-476-5721<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Richard Wills<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 04, 2015 9:07 AM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] condo question<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 2/3/2015 5:54 PM, Spencer Stromberg wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'm sorry to be a contrarian, but I believe the abbreviated legal description is required regardless of whether the full legal is on the first page or not.<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br><b>This has not been my experience. In the caption, where the "summary legal description" is usually placed, I have always simply copied the full legal description from the body of the Deed, & I have never had such a Deed denied recordation on that basis in a wide variety of counties in WA. Mind you, I'm not saying that one can omit a legal description in the caption --- only that the legal description need not be the summary or abbreviated description --- the full description will suffice (& that providing it eliminates the risk of providing an erroneous summary description where the full description on the Deed is correct).</b><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal> RCW 65.04.045(1)(f) requires that the deed include on the first page: "An abbreviated legal description of the property, and for purposes of this subsection, “abbreviated legal description of the property” means lot, block, plat, or section, township, range, and quarter/quarter section, and reference to the document page number where the full legal description is included, if applicable;" <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>In my experience, the abbreviated legal for a condo unit would be "Unit X of ABC Condominium." At least the Spokane and Franklin County recorders have been happy with that format.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The full legal should be something like: "Unit X of ABC Condominium, according to Condominium Survey Map and Plans, ___________ County Auditor’s File No. _____________, and according to that Condominium Declaration recorded under ___________ County Auditor’s File No. ____________, both recorded on Month Day, Year, ___________ County, State of Washington." <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The mention of percentage interests in the common elements or of assigned limited common elements are optional for Condominium Act condo units (post 7/1/90) and required, together with a statement of the intended use of the unit, for Horizontal Property Regimes Act units, per RCW 64.32.120. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>As others have stated, I am confused by the need to add the unit number to the legal description. I wonder if there wasn't a scrivener's error in the original deed?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Spencer A. W. Stromberg <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sullivan Stromberg, PLLC<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>827 W. 1st Avenue, Suite 425<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Spokane, WA 99201-3914<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>P: 509.413.1004 ext. 101<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>D: 509.828.4644<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>F: 509.413.1078<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>E: <a href="mailto:spencers@sullivanstromberg.com" target="_blank">spencers@sullivanstromberg.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=200 height=36 id="_x0000_i1025" src="http://static.squarespace.com/static/52805759e4b0c24b160f3451/t/52e04d3de4b0648f73aebf6e/1412874178745/?format=1500w"><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p><a href="http://www.sullivanstromberg.com" target="_blank">www.sullivanstromberg.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying or distribution, or use of this email or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify me and delete it from your system.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Eric Nelsen <<a href="mailto:Eric@sayrelawoffices.com" target="_blank">Eric@sayrelawoffices.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Abbreviated legal isn't required to make the deed effective but the County Recorder might refuse to record, if the full legal isn't on page one of the deed. First page either needs the full legal, or an abbreviated legal with a reference to the page with the full legal.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I am a little concerned that the "full legal" from a prior deed didn't include the unit number already. That makes me wonder what is going on there. A condo legal description also typically mentions percentage interest in common elements and might also mention a separate parking space and/or storage unit. Obviously I can't tell from this vantage point.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Sincerely,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Eric</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Eric C. 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I answered the question but I think they wanted to do their own deed and I did not want to take on the work for a few dollars. I gave him a form of qcd and based on my perusal of the deed that had granted title to the two of them I told them to use the same legal, which differed from all I could l see in inserting the unit number “unit 415” at the front of the full legal. The deed was a pretty thing with a caption and in the caption it also suggested an abbreviation for the legal, which seemed to me inessential to validity. 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