[WSBAPT] Probate for Profit - REVISIONS DISCUSSION

Fri Aug 7 09:29:42 PDT 2026

The definition of Major Probate Asset is what is listed in RCW
11.28.110(1)(d) - it is any real property, motor vehicles, and any known
property or interest estimated in good faith to exceed $10,000 in value.

*Brent Williams-Ruth* (pronouns: he/him)
*Attorney-At-Law*

*Law Offices of Brent Williams-Ruth, **a division of BWR Consulting, PLLC*

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On Thu, Aug 6, 2026 at 3:11 PM Nick Pleasants <npleasants at ohswlaw.com>
wrote:

> Brent,
> Maybe your fix addresses this, but I would like the heirs to be able to
> waive bond. The language they added to RCW 11.28.185 requires bond when a
> "Type (3)" person is serving as PR. If your fix is that friends and
> neighbors will not be considered Type (3) when the family so designated,
> then I guess this solves the bond issue. But I am concerned about this
> language that judge "shall" impose a bond, removing judicial discretion to
> waive bond for Type (3) cases. Just delete that sentence "In all cases
> where a personal representative is appointed under RCW *11.28.120*
> <http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.28.120>(3) and is not an
> entity described under RCW *11.36.010*
> <http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.36.010> (2) or (3), bond
> shall be required in an amount commensurate with the major probate assets
> identified under RCW *11.28.110*
> <http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.28.110>(1)(d)." The
> sentence that follows it already requires a bond unless waived, so it was
> overboard for them to add that language in the first place. And "major
> probate assets" is not defined in the code. I really wish they would repeal
> the whole bill, but see what you can do!
> /rant
>
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> wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> on behalf of Diane Kiepe <
> diane at kiepelaw.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2026 10:23 AM
> *To:* WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [WSBAPT] Probate for Profit - REVISIONS DISCUSSION
>
> Great plan.  I am not sure how to formulate my question at the moment. My
> sanctions hearing is tomorrow.
>
>
> Diane Kiepe
> Kiepe Estate and Probate, PLLC
> diane at kiepelaw.com
> 200 N. Mullan Rd., Suite 203
> Spokane Valley, WA  99206
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> On Thu, Aug 6, 2026 at 10:20 AM Brent Williams-Ruth <
> brent at williams-ruthlaw.com> wrote:
>
> I am meeting with the AGO tomorrow to ask for their support.
>
> If you have a specific ask and proposed "fix" - if you want it included in
> the conversation please send it to me today.
>
> In case you wondering why I am going back to the AGO. It is because they
> wrote this bill. It was passed because of the weight of the AGO behind it.
> Any attempt to change it without getting the AGO to at least agree NOT to
> interfere with those efforts would mean that it would likely die without
> even a hearing.  My goal is to say - will you a) help me and support these
> changes, or b) if you won't help, will you at least not stand in my way and
> let the legislature know that you don't oppose these changes.
>
> Thank you!
> Brent
>
> *Brent Williams-Ruth* (pronouns: he/him)
> *Attorney-At-Law*
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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> On Thu, Aug 6, 2026 at 9:13 AM Diane Kiepe <diane at kiepelaw.com> wrote:
>
> Brent,
>
> I want to share my current story that would be an even worse horror story
> then it is - is there a fast approaching deadline?
>
>
>
> Diane Kiepe
> Kiepe Estate and Probate, PLLC
> diane at kiepelaw.com
> 200 N. Mullan Rd., Suite 203
> Spokane Valley, WA  99206
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> On Wed, Aug 5, 2026 at 1:53 PM Brent Williams-Ruth <
> brent at williams-ruthlaw.com> wrote:
>
> Greetings List Mates -
>
> As an individual member of the WSBA who has history working on the probate
> for probate bill, I am meeting with those involved from the AGO to talk
> about obtaining their support for some "revisions" "modifications" "tweeks"
> "amendments" - FIXES to the newly passed law.
>
> I want to hear from you and your experiences.  Here is my existing list:
> 1) I want to bring back consent and waiver for the listed family members.
> Why is it that it is ok for a surviving spouse to consent to the service of
> someone but all the children cannot get together and agree to let the son's
> wife who just did this process for her family and knows all the
> steps.....why should she have to be a Sub 3 with full intervention?
>
> 2) Can we amended 11.36.010(3) - to specifically indicate that an attorney
> within one of those types of entities can also serve with NIP/No Bond
>
> 3) Amending 11.36.010 to include professional guardianship companies. The
> argument is that they are already bonded and licensed. Just because they
> may not be appointed through the 11.28.120(2) process doesn't mean they
> shouldn't be allowed to qualify for NIP.
>
> I plan to share many of the stories that have already come my way, but if
> you have a specific ask for a revision - send it to me by the start of
> business on the 7th (this friday) as I will be having my zoom.
>
> To be fully transparent, I am basically advising that I have sponsors that
> will put this through but I would like the AGO to support these under the
> guise of.....they broke it, they should support the effort to fix it and
> make it as best as possible while still maintaining the integrity of what
> they wanted to accomplish.
>
> If you have not heard me speak on this topic - this is a delicate dance.
> There are some issues where the AGO was intractable in their demand for
> what the legislation should say. My hope is that these specific fixes and
> the explanation as to WHY - will win the day and have their support.
>
> Thank you!
> Brent
>
>
>
> *Brent Williams-Ruth* (pronouns: he/him)
> *Attorney-At-Law*
>
> *Law Offices of Brent Williams-Ruth, **a division of BWR Consulting, PLLC*
>
> *Physical Address: 500 S 336th Street, Suite 214; Federal Way, WA 98003*
>
> *Mailing Address: **PO BOX 3319; Federal Way, WA 98063 *
>
> Office/Scheduling Phone: (253) 285-7751
>
> For All Meetings & Scheduling: info at williams-ruthlaw.com
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