[WSBAPT] Google rejecting Order because it is signed by a Commissioner and not a Judge

Thu Mar 20 13:33:30 PDT 2025

Thank you all for the responses and commiseration. As an update, I emailed
the post mortem department initially explaining that an order from a
commissioner is the same as a judge and in our jurisdiction probate orders
are signed by commissioners, and cited the statute. I then followed up
after no response to request contact for their local counsel to discuss. I
received a response that given my email they are going to process the order
as-is.

So maybe just pushing a little will work most of the time- and asking to
speak to counsel/local counsel may also help.

On Mon, Mar 10, 2025 at 12:24 PM James Dolan <jbdolan at jbdolan.com> wrote:

> On a couple of occasions when dealing with difficult financial
> institutions, I was able to cut through some of the BS by contacting local
> (Washington) counsel as opposed to dealing with corporate HQ.  If anyone
> has dealt with Google before, they might be able to refer you to Google’s
> local attorneys, and maybe a phone call would work.  Maybe not.
>
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> Jim Dolan
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> *From:* wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com <
> wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> *On Behalf Of *Jason Burnett
> *Sent:* Monday, March 10, 2025 10:43 AM
> *To:* WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [WSBAPT] Google rejecting Order because it is signed by a
> Commissioner and not a Judge
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>
>
> I started getting citations issued that compel productions and in-person
> appearances like a subpoena duces tecum with a 30(b)(6) representation and
> include the threatening sounding language in the citation statute
> (11.48.070): ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍ ‍
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> I started getting citations issued that compel productions and in-person
> appearances like a subpoena duces tecum with a 30(b)(6) representation and
> include the threatening sounding language in the citation statute
> (11.48.070):
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> Such party may be brought before the court by means of citation such as
> the court may choose to issue, and *if he or she refuses to answer such
> interrogatories as may be put to him or her touching such matters, the
> court may commit him or her to the county jail, there to remain until he or
> she shall be willing to make such answers.*
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> Targeted companies get lawyers involved quickly and we get what we want
> and are entitled to.  All the tech companies are like this, in my
> experience. I just go straight to getting a citation issued and don’t spend
> time on any sort of voluntary compliance request or letter-writing
> exercise.
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> *From:* wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com <
> wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> *On Behalf Of *Brent Williams-Ruth
> *Sent:* Monday, March 10, 2025 10:20 AM
> *To:* WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [WSBAPT] Google rejecting Order because it is signed by a
> Commissioner and not a Judge
>
>
>
> I have also battled this before - and even attempted (on my own before I
> was heavily involved in the Section and the WSBA) to get the law changed to
> add TEETH.....only to be stopped short by Frank Chopp and Jamie Pedersen.
> That said - make sure you are getting the order from the statute which I
> just reviewed DOES NOT SAY a Judge, but an order from the Court.
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> https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.120.070
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> Please also, if you feel so inclined, write your representatives and state
> senator and ask them to put TEETH into this act. It says they SHALL comply,
> but there is no penalty for failing to comply with this act.
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> I did this dance with Apple and it took NINE MONTHS to get access.
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> On Mon, Mar 10, 2025 at 9:12 AM Eric Nelsen <eric at sayrelawoffices.com>
> wrote:
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> Argh. Bureaucrats. That’s as stupid as the “sovereign citizen” movement
> where they claim a court doesn’t have proper jurisdiction over them because
> there is no fringe on the flag in the corner of the courtroom.
>
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> I’d refer them to RCW 2.24.050 and note that the order is a valid order of
> the superior court as of 10 days after entry. And ask for a review by a
> supervisor, and if they still persist, tell them if they don’t comply with
> a valid superior court order and force you to get a second order, you’ll
> ask for attorney fees and costs as a sanction for a frivolous objection.
>
>
>
> Somebody a while back did a deep dive on the statutory and (state)
> constitutional basis for commissioners’ authority. Does anyone remember
> that article?
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> Eric C. Nelsen
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> Sayre Law Offices, PLLC
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> *From:* wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com <
> wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> *On Behalf Of *Julie Martiniello
> *Sent:* Monday, March 10, 2025 8:53 AM
> *To:* Trust and Probate Section <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
> *Subject:* [WSBAPT] Google rejecting Order because it is signed by a
> Commissioner and not a Judge
>
>
>
> Hello All,
>
>
>
> I have a probate where we need access to a gmail account. We have an order
> signed by the court with all the requirements Google sent, but Google is
> rejecting it since it is signed by a Commissioner and not a "Judge". In
> King County, almost all of our orders in probates are signed by
> Commissioners. Is anyone aware of a way I can get a Judge to sign the order
> absent going the TEDRA route and I guess pursuing Google in that manner? It
> seems like a huge waste of resources.
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