[WSBAPT] What Kind of Trust

[Philip N. Jones]

Try this article:

How to Recognize a Grantor Trust, Oregon State Bar Estate Planning and Administration Section Newsletter, January 2020.

You can find the article at this link:

Est_2020Jan.pdf (osbar.org)<https://estateplanning.osbar.org/files/2020/01/Est_2020Jan.pdf>

Philip N. Jones
Duffy Kekel LLP
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Thank you.  I see the issues you raise.  The "grantor trust" as a way to avoid having to file separate Tax returns would be appreciated, I am sure, by the Trustee.  I am not familiar with that language.

Jim

James R. Doran
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On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 1:12 PM Philip N. Jones <pjones at duffykekel.com<mailto:pjones at duffykekel.com>> wrote:
I do not practice in the area of special needs trusts, so I will not comment on that subject, but ignoring special needs, I have occasionally created trusts for people who need some mild protection from themselves.  In those situations, I would create a trust with Mother as Trustor and Daughter as Trustee, and I would include language that prevents Mother from revoking the trust and making withdrawals, but I would also include language that would cause the trust to be treated as a grantor trust under the income tax laws.  You will need to consult with someone who deals with grantor trusts to determine what language would be appropriate (there are several options).  By doing so, the trust need not file separate income tax returns, and the income can be reported on Mom's returns.
They you would also want to consider including language that would make the assets includable in Mom's gross estate for estate tax purposes.  Even if Mom does not have sufficient assets to cause estate taxes to become due upon her death, the estate tax language would cause the basis to get stepped up at her death.  There are lots of options for language that would have that effect, but would not really enable Mom to send any money off to Africa.
Phil Jones

Philip N. Jones
Duffy Kekel LLP
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Portland, OR 97204
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Subject: [WSBAPT] What Kind of Trust

This elderly client has some money that needs to be put into a Trust for her own protection.  She was preyed upon by some "African Diamond Tycoon" and gave away $700,000 over the past three years. I seem to recall the term "Spendthrift Trust" in my memory banks.  Maybe we do not want to call it that but we need to accomplish the same goals.  The client is willing to do this and has her daughter available to act as the trustee.  This could be a very good situation for the client.

What kind of Trust to use?  I have done many Special Needs Trust and I am wondering if this might be a good vehicle.  The client is not receiving public benefits now, other than Social Security.  But that could change.  She has about $400,000 to be put into an irrevocable trust.

Any thoughts on this, and perhaps a model, would be appreciated.

Jim Doran

James R. Doran
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