[WSBAPT] Joint Account with no Surviving Joint Owner

[Diane J. Kiepe]

I meant to say "I don't believe it is a matter or tracing" so sorry.

Diane J. Kiepe

Diane J. Kiepe
Douglas Eden
717 W. Sprague Ave.
Suite 1500
Spokane, WA  99201
djkiepe at depdslaw.com<mailto:djkiepe at depdslaw.com>
509-455-5300

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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Joint Account with no Surviving Joint Owner

One last question.  I was thinking of doing a TEDRA, but I was going under some tracing theory.  However, wouldn't the Bank be a necessary party?

JEff

W. Jeff Davis
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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Joint Account with no Surviving Joint Owner

I don't believe it's not a matter about sourcing/tracing.  When bank beneficiary designations are made they trump barring Superwill drafting.  Based on the amount involved you may have some starting ground under TEDRA 11.96A but even then, in the end, if the account was "joint with right of survivorship" source does not matter; it's as if a gift were made to the joint party.

It's a very unfortunate set of facts where I see hope only under TEDRA filing and a settlement happening either once gf is found and/or her heirs.

I assume by the exchange she survived and you just can't find her now - I would ask the bank for a copy of the signature card showing survivorship rights and I believe you are entitled to that.  As we all know "joint" alone doesn't convey survivorship rights barring more.


Best,
Diane J. Kiepe

Diane J. Kiepe
Douglas Eden
717 W. Sprague Ave.
Suite 1500
Spokane, WA  99201
djkiepe at depdslaw.com<mailto:djkiepe at depdslaw.com>
509-455-5300

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But what if I can prove the monies in the account were the decedent's separate property, i.e, earnings and an inheritance from his mother?

W. Jeff Davis
BELL & DAVIS PLLC
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Sequim WA 98382
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It's a non-probate asset so Estate doesn't have an immediate right to the funds. If there is a basis for imposing a portion of Estate expenses on the non-probate asset, there might be a right. See RCW 11.10.040<https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.10&full=true#11.10.040> and that RCW Chapter generally, and RCW 11.18.200<https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.18.200>.

Sincerely,

Eric

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Subject: [WSBAPT] Joint Account with no Surviving Joint Owner

Listmates:

At time of death, decedent had a joint bank account with gf. Its been over six months and gf cannot now be found.  Bank says estate can't access the account.  Is there anyway for estate to get at account, or is the money going to the State?

Jeff Davis

W. Jeff Davis
BELL & DAVIS PLLC
P.O. Box 510
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Sequim WA 98382
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