[WSBAPT] Transferring LLC Units

Fri Jul 8 08:53:54 PDT 2022

It seems the best route to go, and provided the wife is competent to sign, is to change the CPA, to reference the transfer of units; a codicil to the Wills specifically devising the units, and amend the operating agreement.  It seems the amendment could be viewed as a list of tangible personal property that goes according to the decedent’s wishes.  Remember I am dealing with a disgruntled child with a dim view of the member who is to receive the parent’s units. 

Thanks for all this input.  

Jeff

W. Jeff Davis

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Huh! Since you pointed it out I faintly remember this statute coming up a while back. I searched and found an email in an exchange last September I had with Karen Boxx. Here was my response, stealing Reutlinger’s erudition to avoid having to come up with my own (note that I have now managed to completely forget about this statute at least twice in the last 10 months):

Honestly I hadn’t remembered that RCW 11.02.091 even existed. But when I re-read it and went back to read commentary on it, I remembered why I never remember it: no one seems to be really certain how far its effectiveness is intended to go, so I decided a while back never to rely on it. (Though now I’m going to try to keep it in mind in litigation if I need to defend a document being challenged on the basis that it’s not a testamentary instrument.) There are also literally zero published cases addressing it, so far as I can find; and the cases citing its predecessor RCW 11.02.090 don’t help much either.

The problem I see with RCW 11.02.091 is that, read literally and expansively, it would completely abrogate the need to ever obey the formalities for a will; and using it in the LLC context is pushing that envelope in a way that I wouldn’t want a client to rely upon.

Here is the commentary in Reutlinger’s Washington Law of Wills and Intestate Succession (3d ed. 2018), Ch. 8.K.3:

Clearly the statute's broad language and the ability of the maker to designate beneficiaries by contemporaneous or subsequent instrument has the potential to render the statute virtually limitless, and in fact commentators on the equivalent Uniform Probate Code provision have been uncertain just how far toward eliminating the need for formal wills it was intended to go. The language caused one writer to "wonder what wills are for. It begins to look like all that is necessary is to get a third party into the act, as an agent, custodian, contracting party, or issuer, and the whole law of wills is displaced."462 Another was more cautious, suggesting that the section "might prove to be a very important provision of the Code. On the other hand, it could be viewed as adding nothing to existing case law . If courts will respect various intra-family agreements which the section may invite, the provision could have very significant impact. By offering courts a broad alternative to the probate route for effectuating expressions calling for transfers at death, the draftsmen may have created a form of competition for wills which might serve to assure that probate procedures will be and remain as simple as possible."463

What the Washington courts will make of the section remains to be seen, but few limitations are expressed.464 Although, as indicated, some commentators seem to see the section as potentially displacing the entire law of wills by the simple expediency of execution of a contract,465 neither case law thus far nor the originally expressed intention of the Uniform Probate Code warrants an overly expansive reading of the statute or the writing of a premature obituary for the formal will.

Even if RCW 11.02.091 supersedes much of the case law respecting what are usually classified (and approved) as "will substitutes," and its further options or refinements remain to be seen, a note of caution might well be inserted here. In the words of the dissenting judge in a case of a will substitute that failed:

“I cannot escape the conviction that Mr. Murphy's plan has failed, not because it was in any way legally deficient, but simply because it was unprecedented. If he was guilty of any lapse in its preparation, it was merely in not taking sufficient account of the fact that the legal mind is invincibly hostile to the new, the strange, and the unfamiliar.”466

462   James N. Zartman, An Illinois Critique of the Uniform Probate Code, 1970 U. Ill. L.F. 413.

463   Richard V. Wellman, The Uniform Probate Code: Blueprint for Reform in the 70's, 2 Conn. L. Rev. 453, 485-86 (1970).

464   Apparently the only case to deal with the statute head-on to date is an unpublished one, but it is instructive in its demonstration that an instrument transferring property at death still must comply with the requirements either of an inter vivos nonprobate instrument or of a will. In In re Estate of Phillips, 93 Wn. App. 1030, No. 16947-2-III, 1998 WL 855506 (Dec. 10, 1998) (unpublished), the court found that a purported trust was invalid as either an inter vivos or a testamentary trust because it did not comply with the requirements for either. The court rejected the contention that RCW 11.02.091 validated the instrument, because apart from the question of testamentary formalities, it was not effective inter vivos as it did not pass any present interest to the trustee; and as a testamentary trust it had to comply with the statute of wills.

Professor Price has opined that the statute could validate an otherwise-invalid community property agreement. John R. Price, The Transmission of Wealth at Death in a Community Property Jurisdiction, 50 Wash. L. Rev. 277 (1975). But cf. Tom Graafstra, Recent Developments—Probate Law & Procedure, 51 Wash. L. Rev. 451, 462 n.35 (1976).

465   See Price, 50 Wash. L. Rev. at 284-85.

466    In re Murphy's Estate, 193 Wash. 400, 424, 75 P.2d 916 (1938) (Robinson, J., dissenting).

Sincerely,

Eric

Eric C. Nelsen

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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Transferring LLC Units

Eric,

I am loathe ever to disagree with you – it feels riskier than taking a fiduciary assignment! -- but may I offer  <https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.02.091> https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=11.02.091 into evidence, and particularly (2)(c)and (3) “contract”.

I think LLC agreements may be among the primary kinds of agreements this statute is aimed at. Others can fight the validity of the LLC agreement on ordinary contract-validity grounds, but I don’t think they can assert the transfer to the other member is invalid because it is testamentary.

Open to other views. 😉

All my best, Josh

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This is all very interesting.  The problem I have is I did not do the “older” member’s estate plan.  They are married, most likely have and CPA, so if older member dies first that person’s Will would not be probated.  That member also has children who think the other member is a “gold digger.”  I am trying to get copies of what EP documents they have to see what can be done.  However, what happens if you sign an operating agreement like a Will?  How will that insure the transfer is made.  Would it not be better to do a separate “Buy-Sell” for a nominal sum?

Jeff

W. Jeff Davis

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I’m against having such a provision in the LLC documents, and agree that it would have to be executed with testamentary formalities in order to be valid.

My analysis has been that an ownership interest in an LLC is an asset, just like a stock share. In every other instance of a non-probate transfer of an asset at death, there is an enabling statute that provides for survivorship: bank accounts, transfer on death deeds, pay-on-death accounts, etc. There is no enabling statute in the LLC rules that authorizes survivorship of an ownership interest. Therefore, it would have to be a testamentary disposition, and so must meet the formalities of a will.

At most, I have included in the LLC agreement a right of first refusal, mandatory buy-back, or some other mechanism for the deceased individual’s share to be purchased or otherwise cashed out from their Estate. Those are merely restrictions on transfer, and so aren’t testamentary and would be valid (assuming no violation of the common-law prohibition against restraints on alienation).

Sincerely,

Eric

Eric C. Nelsen

Sayre Law Offices, PLLC

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Seattle WA 98144-3909

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Listmates:

Two member LLC.  They are not related and each is married (to different people).  They want a deceased member’s Units to go to the surviving member.  I know it can be done with a Will.  But can members enter into an agreement, or better yet, amend the operating agreement to say that a deceased member’s units go to the surviving member.  If you do it that way, must the agreement be signed like a Will?

Your thoughts.

Jeff Davis

W. Jeff Davis

BELL & DAVIS PLLC
P.O. Box 510

720 E. Washington Street, Suite 105
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