[WSBAPT] heir search firm

Sharon Rutberg sharon at salmonbaylaw.com
Mon Feb 21 16:45:19 PST 2022


We have used Von Langen, https://www.missingheir.com/, with a good outcome. 

Sharon C. Rutberg, Attorney at Law
Salmon Bay Law Group, PLLC
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Seattle, WA 98107
206-735-3177, ext. 2
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Today's Topics:

   1. Referral for Private Investigator for Missing Intestate	Heir
      (David Faber)
   2. Re: Referral for Private Investigator for Missing Intestate
      Heir (Lori Rath)
   3. Re: Referral for Private Investigator for Missing Intestate
      Heir (Philip N. Jones)
   4. Re: Distribution to Beneficiaries who are participating
      (Philip N. Jones)
   5. Re: Ejectment Action - Pierce County (Christie Martin)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:16:14 -0800
From: David Faber <david at faberfeinson.com>
To: "WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv" <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: [WSBAPT] Referral for Private Investigator for Missing
	Intestate	Heir
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Does anyone have a referral to a competent private investigator who might be able to handle finding an intestate heir who is decades estranged from the family and cannot be found (probably isn't in Washington State anymore)?

Thank you!

Best,
David J. Faber
Faber Feinson PLLC
800 Polk Street, Suite B
Port Townsend, WA 98368
(360) 379-4110

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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 22:26:55 +0000
From: Lori Rath <rath at cirrus.law>
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Hi David,

Adam Winquist
https://www.summitinvestigations.net/

Lori Rath
CIRRUS LAW PLLC
206.487.4443
https://calendly.com/rath-cirruslaw

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From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> On Behalf Of David Faber
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 2:16 PM
To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: [WSBAPT] Referral for Private Investigator for Missing Intestate Heir

Does anyone have a referral to a competent private investigator who might be able to handle finding an intestate heir who is decades estranged from the family and cannot be found (probably isn't in Washington State anymore)?

Thank you!

Best,
David J. Faber
Faber Feinson PLLC
800 Polk Street, Suite B
Port Townsend, WA 98368
(360) 379-4110

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 23:17:36 +0000
From: "Philip N. Jones" <pjones at duffykekel.com>
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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Referral for Private Investigator for Missing
	Intestate Heir
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You might try hiring a genealogist.  Often works quite well.
Phil Jones

Philip N. Jones
Duffy Kekel LLP
900 S.W. Fifth Ave. Suite 2500
Portland, OR 97204
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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Referral for Private Investigator for Missing Intestate Heir

Hi David,

Adam Winquist
https://www.summitinvestigations.net/

Lori Rath
CIRRUS LAW PLLC
206.487.4443
https://calendly.com/rath-cirruslaw

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309 S. Cloverdale Street
Suite B-4
Seattle, WA 98108
www.cirrus.law<http://www.cirrus.law/>

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   + Probate and Trust Administration
   + Individual and Business Tax
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   + Life Insurance Planning
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From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>> On Behalf Of David Faber
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Subject: [WSBAPT] Referral for Private Investigator for Missing Intestate Heir

Does anyone have a referral to a competent private investigator who might be able to handle finding an intestate heir who is decades estranged from the family and cannot be found (probably isn't in Washington State anymore)?

Thank you!

Best,
David J. Faber
Faber Feinson PLLC
800 Polk Street, Suite B
Port Townsend, WA 98368
(360) 379-4110

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 23:22:04 +0000
From: "Philip N. Jones" <pjones at duffykekel.com>
To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Distribution to Beneficiaries who are
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I cannot offer authority (which is what you have asked for), but I do have some encouraging words, for what they might be worth.  Oftentimes the question comes up how to allocate expenses to troublemakers.  I have occasionally suggested distributing to the good beneficiaries, so that future expenses come solely out of the shares of the bad ones.  Down here in Oregon, the Uniform Trust Code eliminates from the definition of beneficiaries those who have been paid in full.  I seem to recall that this issue has come up previously on this listserv, without any authority being cited.
Phil Jones

Philip N. Jones
Duffy Kekel LLP
900 S.W. Fifth Ave. Suite 2500
Portland, OR 97204
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From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> On Behalf Of Brent Williams-Ruth
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 11:58 AM
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Subject: [WSBAPT] Distribution to Beneficiaries who are participating

Greetings List -

I have a strange situation. Estate with 7 beneficiaries to each receive the equal distribution. Three are not being responsive and causing delay in settling the estate.

Does anyone know have authority that would allow me to distribute what is NOW an equal share, and then just continue to move forward and assign the costs of the remaining estate fees/expenses to the beneficiaries of the three shares not distributed?

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 00:02:48 +0000
From: Christie Martin <christie at cascadialawyers.com>
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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Ejectment Action - Pierce County
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My partner, Gabrielle Richards, does ejectment actions in SW Washington and Oregon.

Christie L. Martin | Martin & Richards, PLLC Attorney at Law

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From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> on behalf of Karin Treadwell <karin at sayrelawoffices.com>
Date: Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 11:31 AM
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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Ejectment Action - Pierce County Christine Lord at our firm does landlord work.  Feel free to contact her at: Chrissy at sayrelawoffices.com<mailto:Chrissy at sayrelawoffices.com>.

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From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> On Behalf Of Jennifer L White
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 2:06 PM
To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Ejectment Action - Pierce County

If there are any attorneys out there that practice LL/T that are willing to take some of these on with payment later upon sale of the house, please respond. In my particular case, my client would gladly pay a healthy premium and can give security. There is plenty of equity in the property, but we have to get the deadbeat relative out of there to realize it.

Jennifer L. White, Esq.
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jen at appletreelaw.com<mailto:jen at appletreelaw.com>
PO Box 11037
Yakima, WA 98909
509.225.9813

From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>> On Behalf Of Kaitlyn Jackson
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 1:53 PM
To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>>
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Ejectment Action - Pierce County

This is most likely an ejectment action and using 59.18 to terminate the "tenancy" might only hurt the situation for the PR even more. Admitting or posturing the occupants' rights as subject to RCW 59.18 could make it more time consuming to remove them. An ejectment action might be faster and there's the risk that the court might even dismiss any attempts to use 59.18 and have the PR start over with ejectment action.

On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 1:35 PM Amy Goertz <amyjgoertz at icloud.com<mailto:amyjgoertz at icloud.com>> wrote:
Yes, that is a good starting point. I would be willing to bet, however, that the beneficiary (who is neither a relative nor the PR, but was the decedent?s live-in boyfriend)  will not go with just a Notice.

Does anyone know of someone with this type of practice in Pierce County?

Amy

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On Feb 16, 2022, at 1:14 PM, Gwendolyn Cornwell <Gwendolyn at glgmail.com<mailto:Gwendolyn at glgmail.com>> wrote:

The PR could serve the relative with a 90-day Notice to Vacate and Intent to Sell pursuant to RCW 59.18.650(e).  So long as the relative living in the house is not the PR, of course.

Gwendolyn Cornwell
Attorney

Gourley Law Group
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Snohomish Escrow
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From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>> On Behalf Of Diane J. Kiepe
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Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Ejectment Action - Pierce County

This is getting out of control ? I have 3 such cases now.

Diane J. Kiepe

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Douglas Eden
717 W. Sprague Ave.
Suite 1500
Spokane, WA  99201
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509-455-5300

From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>> On Behalf Of Jennifer L White
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To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>>
Subject: Re: [WSBAPT] Ejectment Action - Pierce County

Please post responses to the list. I?ve got a probate with one of those too. My client (PR) went and had a consultation with a LL/T attorney, who advised her to do a cash for keys deal with the errant relative. Client comes back to me with that information, and when I asked where they were going to get the cash, I got a long silence in response??

Jennifer L. White, Esq.
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jen at appletreelaw.com<mailto:jen at appletreelaw.com>
PO Box 11037
Yakima, WA 98909
509.225.9813

From: wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>> On Behalf Of Amy Goertz
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 12:13 PM
To: WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>>
Subject: [WSBAPT] Ejectment Action - Pierce County

As some of you may recall from a previous post to this list serve, I have an estate in Pierce County in which the beneficiary needs to be removed from the house so that the house can be sold to satisfy creditors. You may rest assured that he is not going to cooperate in this endeavor unless someone is outstandingly charming and convincing.

I will need an attorney who specializes in this area of practice to accomplish this. The estate has no money and will not have any money until the beneficiary is removed and the house sold.

Any thoughts on who might be willing to help with this challenge and wait to be paid until the sale of the home?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions -

Amy

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