[WSBAPT] Missing item

[Roger Hawkes]

Yes; but tedras create other issues.

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Amy,

I believe that the law in Washington on what happens when a specific bequests fails because of ademption is unclear.  I found a presentation from a 2013 CLE (thanks Rob Nettleton) that talks about how other jurisdictions look at the issue.  Some jurisdictions use the “strict ademption theory”—the bequest doesn’t exist at the time of the testator’s death, and so the bequest is extinguished. Other jurisdictions follow the “intent theory of ademption” —basically cash can replace gift (Forbes v. Burketts, 181 So.2d 681 (1966).

A TEDRA solves everything.

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On Apr 15, 2022, at 1:28 PM, Amy Goertz <amyjgoertz at icloud.com<mailto:amyjgoertz at icloud.com>> wrote:

Thank you for these responses.

The Personal Representative has coverage on the house, but I am certain the deductible would be close to value of the ring.

As to contacting the Pawn Shops, that’s a good idea and I will direct the PR to give that a try. The heir to be receiving the ring lives out of state.

If we are unable to locate the ring, would you suggest we give her money instead or determine that the specific bequest has lapsed?

Amy

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On Apr 14, 2022, at 3:23 PM, Roger Hawkes <Roger at law-hawks.com<mailto:Roger at law-hawks.com>> wrote:

Don’t give up on ‘finding the ring’.  Pawn shops are required to keep records.  Have someone, the ‘heir’ go to pawn shops near where the potential fraudster lives or works. Hurry.

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Did the decedent have insurance that would cover the ring if stolen?


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Subject: [WSBAPT] Missing item

Hello Learned Colleagues -

I have an estate being probated where there is very little liquidity and a very difficult beneficiary who is living in the estate house.

Of the many issues I am having on this estate is a specific bequest in the Will.

The Will left two specific bequests, one of which has been fulfilled and the other is a ring to the decedent’s sister. The rest goes to the troublesome beneficiary in the house.

Shortly after the beneficiary was asked for the ring so that it could be delivered to the decedent’s sister, he reported that it was “stolen.” We wholeheartedly believe that he pawned or sold the ring but we have no way of proving that.

The question is, what now happens to the bequest? The sister says the ring was diamonds and rubies. She has asked for $2000.

In researching this issue, I find lots of information on dealing with how to deal with a missing beneficiary, but haven't found a good answer for a missing item of personalty in a specific bequest.

What are your thoughts on whether and how to honor this specific bequest of an item that is no longer part of the estate?

Thanks in advance -

Amy


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